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Also an msnbc contributor. this looked like the outcome that had to happen, after our program last night, the mayor of rochester came out against this. i was deliberately on this show last night doing everything i could, including booking dan french, to push this prosecutor back and to push the police back on this arrest. >> that's right, and listen, kudos to you, your show, and your producers for making this national news. we have to give credit where it's due. really important here, lawrence. i'm teaching a class right now in black prison narrative. i'm studying michelle alexander and the na...

Brings to us. i mean, technically, we keep him until he is 21. well could do that. i don't imagine we'll have him until he is 21. but no one has really made that decision. we haven't crossed how long he'll stay here. >> i think the juvenile justice system is fully capable of dealing with this situation, and in fact they are fully dealing with it right now. he is in the juvenile justice system. if the judge's order stands, he won't be here for very much longer. but he is strives in this system. >> having worked in prison systems for many years, mike dempsey knows special steps must be taken whe...

Spike in not only sued, but violent crime, as well. >> let's keep it at home. one of the economic theory is the broken window theory. if you see broken windows in the area, crime will get elevated. if you fix the broken windows, there is a perception of it's safer, cleaner and businesses come back and jobs come back. >> we've seen this in washington, d.c., and when you turn it into a place that has business and people employed and has the jobs that can get people in the workplace and keep them busy, it's very important. going back to the arguments that juan has been making all week about the f...

Lynchings in history, claude neil was tortured and beaten and later the body delivered to the alleged victim's family. whether they turn the other eye or retire to the more recent black eyes they were seeing in the news, who knows. >> are there thought to be other schools like this one out there, whether in florida or somewhere else around this country or is this thought to be an isolated incident? >> so far this story ritzs to the top. we talk about the schools and work camps for years and years before these prison systems were established people who were picked up fortress passing or other c...

Extremely powerful. you have to understand, there's a national lobby now pushing to sustain these prison systems and to build them, essentially. because they have become part of the economic engine in states like california. >> that strikes me as so important. victoria, this idea that the people who are working there now constitute the majority of those state workers. i just kept thinking, i'm sorry, didn't i just hear a supreme court ruling telling california to shed prisoners? the next thing i know, we've got hunger strikes in this state. >> yes. so the supreme court ruling happened in 2011,...