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Appointees. you can't say 17 angry democrats when you have a bunch of republican appointees who work on team trump sitting in the witness chair. how are republicans going to handle it now that they're getting what they asked for? >> that's the big question, what are they going to do now that everything is out in public? so far they continue to say they don't think any of the evidence that's come forward to date are quid pro quos. they just flat out deny it. they continue to attack on substance. they say it wasn't necessarily wrong in asking ukraine to investigate, and that's pretty much what t...

It was perfect. well, i haven't heard a single member of congress, any republican agree with him about that. i mean you can argue substance if there is an argument to be made. the president's argument is just not persuasive to anyone, even in his own party. so, yeah, sure, you can argue substance, but you have to have a substantive argument and so far the president hasn't put out any that even persuade republicans much less democrats. >> but he wants republicans to be with him on the substance even though they're not. this is where it becomes very difficult for them because the process argumen...

Was going on, what he's suggesting is the ukrainians believe vindman was vulnerable to compromise. it makes no sense. he should have just apologized instead of doubling down. by the way, he's a former deputy a.g., he's a former law law school graduate. you don't drop the word espionage lightly when you know when that word means. he should have never said that. >> he was basically getting a bulls rush from ingram and didn't really know the facts so he was listening along. john yoo said what he said and did what he did. the tactic employed by ingram and others is very clear, elliott, they can't ...

>> you can see it's sort of slipping away. the process argument has failed on impeachment. it's turned out to be a bit of a dud. the republicans in the house of representatives for the last couple of weeks have been saying you have to have a vote in order to proceed with an impeachment hearing and that's falling apart because there's now going to be a vote tomorrow on an impeachment proceeding. so now i think they are -- for instance, ron johnson, senator from wisconsin just i guess in the last day or so had said, well, even if the president engaged in this conduct, i don't believe it's remova...

It reminds me of him saying he wants to go testify in front of mueller when, in fact, there was no way he was going to testify in front of mueller. >> the republicans can argue substance any time they want. the president has said over and over again that the phone call with the president of ukraine was perfect. he always uses that word, perfect. i haven't heard a single member of congress, any republican, agree with him about that. you can argue substance if there is an argument to be made. the president's argument is just not persuasive to anyone, even in his own party. yeah, sure, you can ar...