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>> there is going to be due process, it's going to be fair. there will be a form in which the president is given the opportunity to call witnesses to cross-examine, to have his representatives present, and i am surprised that the republicans say they are not going to vote for a resolution that, in effect, gives them what they asked for. >> laura: but the resolutions as the president can't ask questions, or may be denied the ability to ask questions if certain documents aren't turned over to the committee. what's the truth here? >> it's going to be a total show. it doesn't guarantee the minorit...

You're losing the process argument. you want a substance argument? bring it on, adam schiff, because we know the ukraine didn't even ask about a hold on eight until august 29th, that was released shortly thereafter. you know what, the united states of america had to get off ukraine in order to release the hold on it? nothing! >> laura: the opinions of people listening in on the conversation -- at the president knew were listening, those opinions of a transcript we already have are supposed to run into -- up to impeachment of the president of united states? is that the low bar we are setting, c...

Cole, the senior republican on this rules committee is making the argument thath entire inquiry, the investigation, is invalid, does he have any grounds here? >> he does not, but i will tell you in my experience as a lawyer, and as a former legislator, typically when there is no substantive argument to be made, a process argument will be made as generally a delaying tactic as the side that doesn't like the inevitable outcome is trying to delay things and throw as much mud at the wall as possible to avoid the inevitable. not only does the house have the votes to formalize this impeachment inqui...

Phone calls with the ukrainian president, with other world leaders about -- will they be willing to defend having this kind of tractional foreign policy, to have a personal lawyer have such a position of stature even if informally in the making of american foreign policy, that's when they go mute, that's when they walk away. that tells you everything. >> so, natasha, it's steve rattner. it seems know with the vote today the republicans are going to lose some element of their process argument because the house democrats are going a completely regular process that mirrors exactly what was done i...

>> i wouldn't expect him to say i will now allow them to testify. the rules are still unfair, they still do not afford the president with sufficient due process. they will continue to make the case. a process argument. there's only so far the president has been able to go to stop people from testifying. what is remarkable one person after another who worked for him or even in one case still works for him either at the white house or state department or the pentagon have come forward and given testimony anyway despite the fact the white house sent that letter a couple weeks back saying nobody w...