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about. we begin this morning with the latest signs that the justice department's investigation of donald trump are escalating and shifting to a more a vance's stage. on thursday, nbc news learned that former vice president, mike pence, was subpoenaed by jack smith, the special counsel appointed by attorney general merrick garland to handle this departments investigations of the january six investigation in of donald trump's handling of classified documents. the subpoena follows months of negotiations between pence's legal team and the department of justice. so, it is also the latest ...

The same way in criminal investigations. plus, pence probably wade any privileges after writing about january 6th in his book. but you don't get to say stuff to sell books and then claim that you can't talk about it to the grand jury because it's privileged. well >> that's a good point. you can't disclose on your own accord, i suppose. what does the subpoena tell us about the special counsel investigation. again, talking with john about this, if they are going after the former vice president, it suggests that they are nearing some sort of conclusion. they also went after national security advi...

>> we don't know who that is. i would caution a little bit on the view that weisselberg was being asked every question under the sun about trump organization going back ten years. and i think that's the critical difference between this immunity compulsion order which is generally specific to a live questioning or some criminal activity and cooperation, where weisselberg would give up everything that he knows. executive 2 to me seems to be a lesser player than weisselberg in this whole thing. so it's unclear to me that there's that much more to get out of executive-2. but to joyce's point, you ...

Compulsion order which is generally specific to a live questioning or some criminal activity and cooperation, where weisselberg would give up everything that he knows. executive 2 to me seems to be a lesser player than weisselberg in this whole thing. so it's unclear to me that there's that much more to get out of executive-2. but to joyce's point, you know, i think we're a little bit in the dark and it is confounding to all of us who look at this that they would just go ahead with a straight plea deal and not even meet as far as we know with michael cohen. there has to be a reason, and i just...