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sure you trudging in from the snow sent tisn't just one quest >> boehner and mcconnell voted to move along on the debt ceiling the last couple of days. what do you say about them as far as you're concerned? what do you think motivate them and what effect could it have? >> in a sense, it's the right thing to do, because playing -- you are playing with the debt ceilings is like playing with fire. joe, people can have strong beliefs on deficit reduction but you hurt everybody, including this country, if you hold the debt ceiling hostage. they learned that. ted cruz has a short memory. when he pushed the shutdown of the government that was widely unpopular even with tea party members, let alone just the republican base, but he tried it again and mcconnell and boehner, for the good of their party, said they can't do this. let me say this. i think they gain strength in their caucuses, because many in