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as a progressive place. then there's the future of democracy itself today, with the republican party, in some places like arizona, deciding through its voters tonight whether the party's nominees for top jobs are backers of the big lie of baseless election fraud claims, of attacks on the way we do nonpartisan democracy in this country, with trump encoursed candidates currently viewed as front-runners, including a maga governor candidate who's pushing claims of fraud, kari lake. those who do stand up to trump, including three who threatened to -- voted to impeach president trump. ther...

Trump is allegedly back at the white house. We should mention, this happens under president s of both parties. Usually a motorcade snafu. They were eventually gathered up. And we show you what we keep out back here, the Rockefeller Center tree is up and lit. A 75footer from the new york suburbs. It certainly changes the view from here at this time every year, at least for a while. And that is our broadcast tonight. Thank you so much for being here with us. And good night from nbc news headquarters here in new york. And thanks for joining us this hour. In the summer of 1974, the Special Counsel...

On the basis of your reporting, do people inside the administration lookiatric perry and see someone who is dangerous to the president? or do they think that rick perry is kind of still under the president's control? >> first of all they don't really think it's a stone wall. we have a constitutional system. congress has oversight of the executive. and the white house can assert executive privilege, but many of these officials, whether it's secretary perry or members of the national security apparatus can still put their hand in the air and say i'm going to testify before congress if congress i...

Reporter about secretary perry is what was his intent when he interacted with ukrainian officials about natural gas in ukraine. we know based on our reporting that rudy giuliani had his own ideas about how different oil companies should be set up and natural gas companies should be set up in ukraine was talking to the president, was talking to ukrainian friends of his, business associates. but secretary perry as a secretary of energy overlapped at times with some of these conversations. the question congress will ask him is was his intent to meddle in ukrainian politics and business for politi...

Basically just lays out a quid pro quo even as blatantly as the one that's in the transcript from the phone call. do you think they're just betting on the no etition that americans will never understand what the latin means? is anything other than a textbook quid pro quo. >> it absolutely. i think mick mulvaney was trying to do two things. he was trying to get out ahead of some facts before the facts got him. he was right in the center of that. he was the one that the president directed to withhold that aid and he's the one that carried out that order. so i suspect what he was doing was trying...