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Does not exist and that his freedom is being oppressed. think about the intellectual gymnastics it takes to be standing up for freedom and yet saying that african-americans should still not be free. that's a real tough way to make an argument, right? and of course, this is not that much money. it's of course accrued now over 20 years. many other ranchers pay these fees. but that's why this is so astonishing, that people are now doing their claude raines act and acting like they're shocked that this guy is way out there. >> jon ralston, who is host of "ralston reports." always a pleasure, jon. ...

Freedom is being oppressed. think about the intellectual gymnastics it takes to be standing up for freedom and yet saying that african-americans should still not be free. that's a real tough way to make an argument, right? and of course, this is not that much money. it's of course accrued now over 20 years. many other ranchers pay these fees. but that's why this is so astonishing, that people are now doing their claude raines act and acting like they're shocked that this guy is way out there. >> jon ralston, who is host of "ralston reports." always a pleasure, jon. >> thanks, chris. >> joining...

And one, if you listen to the folks that are supporting bundy, that is not ending any time soon. "ralston reports" host, john ralston. thank you for your time. coming up, pope francis leads a special good friday mass at the vatican to mark one of the most religious days in the christian calendar. francis, faith and the church when joshua do yubois join me j ahead. [ hypnotist ] you are feeling satisfied

A gun-toting tax cheat. joining me now is nevada journalist and host of "ralston reports" john ralston. thanks for joining me. this case has fast ited the country, and it seems to be, it involves two things or at least this is what we have assessed it. one is a certain level of identity politics. but the other thing that it touches on is, what one journalist has called wai eed w mania, you should be able to opt out of parts of the law we don't like. we see it with the hobby lobby case with the supreme court and certain parts of the legislation that's made it way to the arizona state house. thi...