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Nature, but beginning to bleed american companies, the government and so forth are coming out of russia and there are two different kinds, there are the ones being respond erred by the state, putin, intelligence services and there are the ransomware groups that are mostly criminal. the question is can you find a way to bring both of those under control and i have my doubts. >> the u.s. is much more vulnerable to cyber warfare and you make this point and i've heard it from u.s. officials, intelligence officials, the u.s. much more vulnerable to cyber warfare than the russianes. >> we are becaus...

For cyber, it becomes so much harder because while putin knows that his own intelligence services are launching attacks and that ransomware groups are launching attacks from russian territory, it's to his advantage to pretend to know nothing about this because the weapon itself is deniable. and that's why it makeses it so hard to do what you'd expect a summit like this to do. bebegin to lay out the parameters of what arms control might look like or at least to use biden's term, some guardrails about the targets you wouldn't attack, whether those were power grids or energy pipelines like the co...

Nine days after she went missing. her family believe she was abducted, as they say wandering off was not something their daughter would have done. you're watching bbc news. let's talk a little more now about that summit in geneva — wherejoe biden and vladimir putin will discuss issues. amongst them, the issue of ransomware, as researchers say there is extreme compelling evidence that many of the largest cyber attacks originate in or around russia. 0ur cyber reporterjoe tidy is here. welcome. tell us more about what the evidence is indicating. for welcome. tell us more about what the evidence...

Is you can't see them being developed, you can't verify whether they've been dismantled. and it's very difficult to prove at least in a public understandable way where they were launched from. now we don't have any doubt that the svr, the most sophisticated of the russian intelligence agencies, was behind the solar winds with attack which was last -- discovered last december against american federal agencies, against corporations. the ransomware groups are harder to pin down, but we know many of them are based inside russia. but that doesn't mean the russian government was running them, and it...

Both at the g7, and on that one-on-one summit with russian president vladimir putin in geneva, president biden will make it clear they have to take action to crack down on these ransomware groups and tell putin that they are destabling to the u.s./russia relationship. biden has repeatedly said he wants a stable and predictable relationship with russia. bore rizzs, amara. >> alex, thank you for that. russian president vladimir putin is responding to the accusations, in his words, they're hilarious. cnn's matthew chance breaks down the kremlin's ponce. >> reporter: sharply rejecting allegation...