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South carolina. i'm thinking of kamala harris, cory booker and others who want to make that a place that puts them on the map. so bernie sanders is seeing good news right now out of iowa and new hampshire where another poll does have him leading, but in those polls it's also important to note that bernie sanders is someone who just ran not but three years ago so his name id is really high, same with joe biden. former vice president. people know who he is. this early point in the race that really does matter. >> it really is helping indeed and what's also going to help is we're going to cut you...

State of iowa. and we saw that in 2016. so, this is not surprising at all. we have tomorrow it's going to be a long road ahead, things are going to change. i do believe biden can wait a little bit because of that name id. donors are waiting to see what he's going to do and he's trying to think through it, think about his family and i think he can afford to wait. but like i said, we have a long road ahead. what this tells me is that iowa is just one state, right? iowa is more than 90% white. we have new hampshire. we have south carolina. we have nevada all very, very different states where we'l...

Biden, according to the "des moines registrar" is it's name recognition? >> that and the fact joe biden, he looks like a lot of other american presidents. i think that that's a really important thing. >> like the previous 44. older white men. okay. >> we're comfortable with him. >> got t. comfortable with him and important to keep in mind. >> and also, the name rec fligs. john delaney, out there since i believe -- for months, and has spent $1 million on advertising out there in iowa. so there's something to be said about just being somebody that they like and recognize, i guess? not necessaril...

Most? >> well, certainly the fact that bernie sanders and joe biden start as a top the pack in this race. that having been said, joe biden obviously not yet fully in the race. at this early point, so far out from the caucuses and the primaries, you're really talking about who do people know who do they recognize, who has the largest name id. so from that standpoint, the fact that you have people like joe biden you serve for eight years as vice president, bernie sanders was the second candidate in the democratic race last night, not totally surprising, but also the fact that joe biden clear and...

Many social and political issues and not just this past term but this goes back ten and almost 50 years to roe v. wade. by getting involved in all these cases, the justices raise the stakes of vacancies and that's why presidents have become better, more cynical vetters of candidates. it's yes senators put on the show that you see today. i think in the first instance, you can blame the court. and there isn't a lot of rec fligs of that at the court because they view themselves in certain respects as saviours. they look at congress, they look at different presidents and say they're not doing thei...