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Neil: they have different degrees -- >> the impulse to jump on the liberal band wagon. >> that's not true. >> you will see that till next year. neil: you think that democrats gave republican a gift? >> it's a huge gift. you see aoc. you look at it in terms of cannibalism, democrats aren't running out of food. >> i don't think it's a gift at all, i think it's a mistake that the republicans think it's a gift. the democrats are setting agenda and we are responding to it and that's not good. neil: why wouldn't they get out there right away, if you don't like donald trump and if you don't like repu...

Technology. neil: make america broke again. >> same thing they did in 2008 when barack obama -- neil: a lot of the policies -- >> the policies are a little bit scary. the point is people need to be educated what the problems are with down falls. i don't think it's the right approach republicans to be taking right now. the idea it's too expensive is not going to resinate, my health care doesn't work now and you didn't fix it. >> having people like sebastian gorka personalizing trying to take away hamburgers and suv's, you laugh about it, sure, does that rile people up? to[inaudible] >> i have s...

Unions yesterday in governor cuomo's open letter, you had the building trade supporting it they were going to build construction with union jobs and the tech industry is not known for unionizing its tech employee s this is not an industry where the employees want to be. neil: and change the way other businesses who might want to look at setting up shop here. i think not so now. >> this type of diplomacy where we can basically hang sticks and carrots in front of businesses at the threat of some obscure political board just eliminating their deal, this is not an environment where businesses will...

So where does he go with that? >> i think that he -- the interesting thing about the president is he only campaigns to his people. he is like laser focused on his target market and that is what he's going to do and he will rally them. neil: is that enough? >> it could be. if the president's popularity is increasing as it has, if he gains 5 points for popularity from where he was, he needs to gain 2 or 3 points he will be unbeatable. >> i talk to independent voters, his base is rock solid. they will never fold but independent thinkers and independent voters i think will -- they will look at the...

Saying that approach of keeping a list of democrats who vote with republicans that's not good for the party, not good for governing so there is this sort of battle for the party still going on. >> there is but it's much like with the republicans went through in 2015 what kind of party are we going to be and when you've got this many different candidates that are running it, that's exactly what it is. it is a battle for who they are and who they want to be and is it going to be the party of the far left? i'm not sure. is it going to be the party of the past? we'll see if joe biden will resonate...