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[ male announcer ] icy hot no-mess applicator. wherever you hurt, it massages in icy to dull pain, hot to relax it away. no pain. no mess. libyan rebels and forces loyal to leader moammar gadhafi. there's another group of players on the ground there they are with the cia, the american cia, of course. joining me to talk about what they might be doing in libya, former cia officer robert bear. thanks for joining us, robert. >> thank you. >> so the fact that this information is out there, because it was first reported on ap and came from unnamed government sources.

Were fighting each other. they had no combat experience. on top of that, they had tribal differences. trying to sort this out was a nightmare. i was trying to collect intelligence on libya and they couldn't even do that. i know fairly well what the cia people are up against. this is going to be -- let's put it this way. this is not going to be an easy solution for libya. >> no, it's not. it doesn't appear to be. robert baer, thanks for sharing your perspective. we appreciate it. let's check on stories making news across country. ohio state law makers passed a bill limiting collective bargain...

Good information about who these rebels are and things like that? >> it's the only way to do it. you can't do this from cairo, london, paris or washington or have people fly in. you need to be on the ground. you have to get a feel for these people, who's in charge. what you can do, frankly, if it hadn't been so sensitive, it should have been a month ago in benghazi. we don't understand what the opposition is and what these rebels can do and what they can't do. >> i know, robert, you had some experience with libyan rebels back in the '80s. tell us the special challenges the united states has in...

These members of congress and both parties are pushing is congressional authority. the fact that the president did not come to congress for congressional authority or even consultation from the perspective of many of these members of congress before he decided to launch this military action. a lot of frustration you're hearing again. democrats and republicans. secretary gates had a very interesting answer to one of the questions. he said, look, i worked for eight presidents. he said, i've seen presidents and how they deal with congress in consultations. from my perspective, this has been prett...

Gadhafi. what i would like to see is more energetic diplomacy on that end, while we look at these other military options. but they're problematic. people have to fight and win their own freedom. they want to fight and win their own freedom. if we start getting involved militarily in some way, it makes that more complicated. there's more we can do diplomatically. >> it does seem, bob, military involvement from outside changes the dynamic and allows gadhafi to have a different conversation with the world. in terms of intelligence terms, i've heard you say libya is a black hole. what do you mean?...