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To their demands in order to involve an unprecedented debt default. >> cnn has learned mccarthy is in talks with the so-called five families, godfather reference there, of the republican party as they search for some kind of consensus. joining us are s.e. cupp and mondaire jones, former democratic congressman. s.e., let's start with you. everything seems like it's just going dandy, if you were to take their word from it, the five families. let me quote from south dakota's dusty johnson, there's a level of trust and engagement within the five families that i have not seen in the previous four y...

Think republicans will have a good case to make to the american people that, look, we put a deal together. we have a plan, and if you want to raise the debt limit, it needs to come with some cuts. american families all over the country are making cuts at home. i think they'll understand that. victor, as you say, the devil is in the details. it's what they want to cut, and if that's going to be entirely palatable to american voters. >> s.e., mondaire, thanks. the head of nato says russia's new offensive is beginning with shelling in eastern ukraine already intensifying. we'll have a live repo...

Terms of how reasonable the republican party's demands are going to be perceived. i really think democrats have the better posture in this situation. i think you see it in terms of how vehement the response was when the president alluded to plans by certain republicans to cut social security and medicare. they're very sensitive about this, and they know they may have asked for -- may have gotten more than they bargained for. >> s.e., on what republicans will propose, social security about 21% of federal spending, medicare, medicaid, championship, aca, another quarter percent about. defense and...

It's less than 10%. it's 8%. 79% -- >> give me their names. i want to know who they are. >> exactly. you find 8% supporting anything, that small a percentage, i think that's basically equal to the george santos' favorite rating in his own district at this particular point. i believe 10% of americans believe we faked the moon landing, so this is less popular than a wild conspiracy theory. >> so how far can he take this, s.e.? >> oh, i mean i think he's hoping for a very long news cycle on this. let me tell you, the biggest trick he's pulling off here is that he is forcing republicans to talk ab...

So that all makes sense. to that point, though, ryan, now that he's been subpoenaed, he can't -- i mean i guess he could be just like, okay, it's finally my time. i'm just going to waltz on in there. how much resistance, you know, as tepid as it may be, can -- >> it's difficult to know because he has given the appearance of resistance. he could say, i'm not going to fight this legally because all my lawyers have told me, and i have one of the best executive privilege experts in the country, that this isn't winnable. so i'm compelled to give my testimony. >> and so, s.e., what do you think the ...