polled today say they opposed the tea party. if you look at all the big issues that animated the political debates over the last couple months whether it was cultural wars like abortion or the government shutdown, we see a very strong reaction to this electorate against the conservative side on those issues. one out of five voters, i think this was a high number, said they thought abortion was their top issue in this election. and of those people and the evidence is that they re pro-choice. 61-40 percent. we have to keep reminding ourselves that virginia is so important because it is exactly the bellwether state for the union. just about exactly what the nation is. i would say virginia has become the new ohio in many ways. richard nixon used to say it s all about ohio. it s all about virginia now. and the fact that women turned out in overwhelming numbers apparently in support of terry mcauliffe is big. let s look at that number. the nbc news exit poll shows women in virginia breaking for terry mcauliffe in a big way while men are split. women give mcauliffe is 16-point edge. that is something. david corn. it goes back to what i was just saying. the issue of abortion which often doesn t motivate voters, doesn t turn elections. we know that. we ve been studying this for decades now. seems to be a key fight. and that s, of course, cuccinelli, he was the conservative poster boy on all these cultural issues. abortions being top amongst them. here we ve had this argument in washington. ted cruz and others saying the republican party has to go to the right, has to get out the traditionalist voters. that s not working for cuccinelli who otherwise was an attractive candidate. in many ways he was unsuited to go after the career women, the professional women, the working women of northern virginia who are part of the orbit of metropolitan washington and aren t going to stand for what joe biden in the last day of the campaign called sinking from another era. think about that for a second. we re all three white guys here by coincidence, but it s a fact. and i m looking at these numbers. it tells you that the white men in this country are not calling the shots. look at these numbers. cuccinelli in the exit poll, he sweeps him by 26 points. yet it looks like mcauliffe is going to win comfortably. yet the white men say we re going for cuccinelli who s gotten some of the worst press, he s made one bad day after another. now look at this. white women. we ve been saying around this table that the white women all women i should say. across the state of virginia are very pro-choice and inclined to give a big number to mcauliffe. 48 to 43 white women went. it s so different than the way white men vote in their own households. i would divide it, chris, between northern virginia which as i said is part of metropolitan washington at this point. from richmond north, it s a mixed swing state. and rural southern virginia which is where i think it s fair to say the split by gender is still much more. if you look at the numbers of, say, black men and women. black women, 95 to 5 for mcauliffe over cuccinelli. obviously if you re a minority in this country we know you have other issues besides gender driving your vote. exactly. but after the last election, the gop did an internal autopsy and said, listen, we can t win national elections. and this kind of looks like a national election. if we keep losing all latinos, all african-americans. that s the point i made a minute ago. we can t close the gap. the point i m making here is white men are not a leading indicator of anything. the other thing the other dividing point, chris, is often between married with children, church going. married with children church going whites tend to be conservative and there s a lot of them in virginia. let s look at the latest we have. there s a lot of exit polling information to give you. cuccinelli s positions on social issues worked against him. six in ten virginia voters support legal abortion in all or most cases. i think that s a particularly high percentage. it s usually in the low 50s. if you look at the turnout, you ll see the democrats 39%, republicans 30%, a big gap there. i think when it comes to women who care about abortion, which happen to be democrats, they were motivated to go to the polls. but the turnout was from ken cuccinelli. he drove them to the polls. that was terry mcauliffe s strategy from the beginning to hammer on women s issues especially on abortion and health. and even on divorce. especially in northern virginia in the washington media market. he hammered cuccinelli who as david said was ill suited to defend. because of his record. let me point out something that s fascinating. i don t want to generalize. if you went to college, you got more liberal. look at the percentage of voters turning out today. 63% of the voters today finished college. not just started. full four year college. that s a very educated electorate. the other part is if you look at who supported, the poorest people and the least educated supported terry mcauliffe, but also the wealthiest and most educated supported terry mcauliffe. and that fed into terry mcauliffe s argument that ken cuccinelli was anti-science. that ken cuccinelli sued the university of virginia s attorney general for its research on climate change. now, that may sound like an obtuse issue. but that was an appeal that really stuck. and i also think we re looking now i don t know whether president clinton or the former secretary state hillary clinton will show up tonight, but clearly they are identified very much with this victory if he wins. the exit poll also asked voters throughout virginia how they feel about the tea party. this is fascinating. 30% of voters in virginia say they support the tea party. 43% say they are opposed. david, this is interesting. let s take another point here. the poll also asked voters who they think is more to blame nfo the federal shutdown. 49% blame republicans in congress. joining me now right across the potomac is nbc political director chuck todd. we were looking at movies of the clintons joining mcauliffe in what looked like a victory performance. obviously that hasn t happened yet. we re getting good numbers from our nbc experts. your thoughts. well, here s the best way to look at who voted today. this looks a lot more like 2012 than 2009 here in virginia. remember, 2009 was a more conservative electorate. it was an electorate that did not look very democratic and we had the republican bob macdonald landslide. you put up those numbers on abortion at 61% essentially the pro-choice position. in 2012 in virginia, it was 63%. so within margin of error. so you re seeing the national, the type of voter that came out in 2013 looks a lot more like 2012 which would be good news for terry mcauliffe which is why we re comfortable characterizing it as a mcauliffe lead right now. the other thing that strikes me right now is given the president we have exit polled virginia now every time we talked about the president s job approval rating. as virginia goes, so goes the nation. this is the lowest approval rating we ve recorded on election day in virginia since he s been in office. he had a 48% approval rating in 2009. down to 46% tonight. when the health care law has a higher approval rating in virginia than the president himself, the folks in the white house got a realize here in virginia, if they got a problem here they got a problem nationally. isn t it interesting and i ve watched it on this program every night. although the president is down, there s no doubt the morale of his people is down right now because of the relentless assault on his program, health care, and the other issues that have bugged him like syria and the rest of it. there hasn t been a happy cloud scene in months now. his enemies are much less popular than him. in fact, they re growing in the unpopularity. that s what s so fascinating. what i find is what people are reacting to on the moderate side is not so much their enthusiasm for the president right now as much as their antipathy towards attackers. and not only that, chris, this is a huge if you re the national republicans and you re looking at this exit poll, you should potentially be in full panic mode if it turns out that this is what the electorate looks like and mcauliffe does win. because the president s at a 46% approval rating. normally you would say that s bad news for the democrats. but mcauliffe still was able to win. it shows what you just said is absolutely right. it s where the republicans position themselves here. outside of where virginia believes the republican party should be. so this is if you re a republican party strategist, this is a very scary moment for you because the president s not does not have a good approval rating here in virginia tonight. and guess what. it still looks like it s potentially good news for democrats. that is a nightmare scenario in 2014. here s another factor, chris. even though the public in virginia was split on whom to blame for the shutdown, if you were affected by the shutdown and according to this exit poll one out of three families was affected in virginia by the federal government shutdown, you voted almost two to one for terry mcauliffe. you rejected the strategy of shutdown that the republicans put forth. so even though you were divided in terms of theoretically who you blamed, if it affected you, you voted for mcauliffe. that becomes a voting issue for the people who are working for the government and got screwed around and played with and mocked a lot of that time. all this goes to the larger point that this election is not about barack obama. it s not even about health care. he s lucky it s not. if you look at the exit poll he s lucky it s not, but he s not running for anything. his enemies are on trial. the republicans are unlucky because it s about issues they ve been pressing that the public has turned on. and so it s about the shape of the electorate. later tonight we re going to get to the other look at this country from the northeastern look where a relatively moderate republican, non-tea party conservative is up for re-election. looks like he might well win it. yet here we re getting early in the evening a look. chuck, last word. chuck? yeah, go ahead, chris. i just wanted you to throw a little thought here about new jersey so we don t get understa unbalanced here. we re getting a hard look at virginia here. what will we get to maybe back that up in new jersey where they say, you know, we like this more moderate republican. and that s going to be the contrast tonight, right? to me this election day has been about not cuccinelli versus mcauliffe or obama care and all that. to me it s about the republican party and cuccinelli versus christie. christie went one way with his campaign. i was on the trail with him yesterday and everything was talking about the bipartisan way that he governs. he called himself a conservative, in fact he says it a lot. i ve noticed, by the way, the more someone calls themselves a progressive or conservative, it means people question whether they re really a progressive or conservative. he would say that. he would talk about governing in a bipartisan way. the messaging here among republicans is look at the last days of cuccinelli. send a message to the president. this is about health care. he s with rubio, with rand paul. so it s two different campaigns. and i tell you, one looks like it s headed to a landslide in favor of the republicans. and one could be responsible for what in virginia could be an historic defeat. remember, if mcauliffe does win, first time in 40 years that virginia will vote the same will not elect a governor opposite of the party in the white house, but elect a governor of the same party in the white house. chuck, great reporting. we ll be back to you again and again tonight. thank you howard fineman, expertise at the table and david corn. couldn t think of better guys to have here. coming up, terry mcauliffe keyed in on women s issues to win votes. it s a strategy they will try to use against republicans. the gender gap, a big plus for democrats. we ll see if it pays off tonight. the virginia governors race, too early to call by the experts. but msnbc mcauliffe with the lead. this is hardball, the place for politics. when we made our commitment to the gulf, bp had two big goals: help the gulf recover and learn from what happened so we could be a better, safer energy company. i can tell you - safety is at the heart of everything we do. we ve added cutting-edge technology, like a new deepwater well cap and a state-of-the-art monitoring center, where experts watch over all drilling activity twenty-four-seven. and we re sharing what we ve learned, so we can all produce energy more safely. our commitment has never been stronger. we continue to watch 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the situation room. always watch us live or dvr the show so you won t miss a moment. that s it for me. thanks very much for watching. i m wolf blitzer in the situation room. now let s step into the crossfire with paul begala and s.e. cupp. christmas eve for me. tingling with anticipation. i m going to be up all night because if we re good little boys and girls tomorrow morning we can finally open the most wonderful gift of all, my friend hillary clinton s new book. wow. i hate to be the grinch here, but i ve seen an advanced copy and your christmas morning is going to be a real downer. the debate starts right now. tonight on crossfire hillary clinton facing attacks on the eve of her book release. clinton s account of the low salt, low fat, low-calorie offering with vanilla pudding as dessert. is america ready for hillary? on the left, paul begala. on the right, s.e. cupp. in the crossfire, tracy sefel, a clinton supporter, and tim miller, co-author of failed choices. should democrats place all bets on clinton? will republican attacks on her backfire? tonight on crossfire. welcome to crossfire. i am paul begala on the left. i m s.e. cupp on the right. guests with different opinions of hillary clinton. her new book comes out tomorrow and starting a high-profile campaign swing. i minean, promotional tour. she s getting lost in translation. for one, she doesn t speak progressive. just ask one. for another, she doesn t speak millennial which she learned the hard way in 2008. as you clearly see in her interview with abc s diane sawyer, unlike her husband, she hasn t figured out how to speak regular person. we came out of the white house not only dead broke, but in debt. we had no money when we got there, and we struggled to, you know, piece together the resources for mortgages, for houses, for chelsea s education. you know, it was not easy. we had to make double the money because of obviously taxes and then pay off the debts and get us houses and take care of family members. dead broke. get us houses. plural. as in these houses in two of the most expensive neighborhoods you can find. so the two most recognizable politicians in america for two decades couldn t budget their money the way americans have to? paul, even you have to admit, this one is not going to go over well in our land. we only found the only millionaires in america who the republicans don t like. come on. in fact, she understates when she says dead broke, they were $12 million in debt for legal bills, from ken starr and the right ring machine that tried to drive them into bankruptcy. thank god we live in a country where they can thrive. hillary had an $8 billion book advance before she even left the white house. you can t budget the mortgage on that, come on. worth every penny. in the crossfire, tracy, first, who advises the ready for hillary pac, and tim miller, - co-author of the new perfectly timed anti-clinton e-book cal d cleverly failed choices. i ve known hillary now 23 years. i love her. i want her to run for president. i deeply hope she does. you should also know i advise priorities usa action which is a superpac that helped re-elect president obama and i dearly hope will elect president hilla hillary. now with that disclosure set, mr. miller, first welcome. thank you for coming. thanks for having us, paul. i hear this canard from my friends on the right, particularly your organization. hillary hasn t done anything as secretary of state, not an important accomplishment. let me give you the top ten. the toughest sanctions in our generation on iran. cease-fire. she backed the mission we ll get to this. backed the mission to kill osama bin laden. i go on and on and on. i hope we cover all ten of these then maybe we ll do a special edition to cover ten more. let me start with number 3. which is the cease-fire in gaza. hamas terrorists were bombing israel. shooting rockets into israel. hillary clinton stepped in and negotiated a cease-fire. now, i think, of course, good for america, good for israel, good for peace. more importantly, here s what the prime minister of israel says about my friend, hillary. take a look. i just had the opportunity to work with her to achieve a cease-fire between israel and hamas. hillary clinton is a strong and determined leader. she s both principled and pragmat pragmatic. knows how to get the job done. i m sure that s going to be in your book. i haven t had time to read your e-book yet. the prime minister of israel. tell me you know more about israel s security than prime minister netanyahu. i m certainly not going to do that, paul. i will tell you when it comes to israel, on the campaign trail in 2008, hillary promised she was going to support an undivided jerusalem. then she goes to the state department. what does she do? she tries to support negotiations where she points fingers at israel, say israel is the problem. and says in order to come to a negotiation, we need to not have a undivided jerusalem. also on the iran sanctions which was the top thing on your list, when congress tried to past the toughest iran sanctions that brought iran to the table, that got us to this deal, hillary clinton and the state department were over in the senate talking to your buddy, bob menendez saying don t pass these, these are too harsh, these are too harsh. nonsense. bob menendez she got the russian, chinese, french, to sign on to the sanctions that delivered the nicolas sarkozy said it was toothless. to the table. i think it s a little early to say how those sanctions have worked out yet, but tracy, i m really glad that paul brought up israel because i ve read the chapter in her book on israel and let me tell you, there is a doozy in there. let me just read. she writes of her first visit to israel i got my first glimpse of life under occupation for palestinians who were denied the dignity and self-determination that americans take for granted. now, i m sure i don t have to remind anyone at this table contra chris christie had to apologize for using similar language. is hillary clinton going to apologize to israel for using that same language? i hope chris christie is going to write a book. that s the one i should read. let me first say, you quoted from the book and i think tim spent all weekend reading it. i haven t read it yet. it s not out. the answer i will give you is about a bigger issue when it comes to hillary clinton s diplomatic agenda. and that is the way that she has expanded the notion of diplomacy in the state department to include an incredibly important set of issues which have to do with women and girls. tracy, let me just stop you before you education and health. don t answer my question. let s take for granted that the quote i read is actually in the book. does she owe israel an apology for using the same language that chris christie used then had to apologize to pro-israel voters and pro-israel groups? hillary clinton is going to stand by the words in her book. she is not going to apologize for something she need not apologize for. she believes she will be making that point as she, herself, should. so then you think that she believes the palestinian territory is occupied? she s not going to apologize for that and she asserted that on purpose? i m sure that when we all actually read the book and listen to her give these interviews, her words will stand for themselves. she said it twice in the book. yeah, she said it, but i ll take your word for it that she s unapologetic. i m unapologetically pro-israel and hillary is very, very strong on this. if that s the tree you want to bark up, i wish you luck. let s move on to another hillary accomplishment which is i think strategically very, very important. the pivot to asia. particularly a couple of things, first off, she was the one in the united states, but she was our secretary of state stood up against chinese expansionism in the south china sea. vietnam. old enemy of america. hillary sided with the vietnamese, helped back off the chinese. she in beijing freed the dissident civil rights activist and lawyer chen guan dang. were those bad things or can you at least admit certainly in asia she s helped strengthen america, opening up to burma, checking chinese territorial expansionism, standing for human rights. i think she worked with mitch mcconnell on efforts in burma. i think obviously she tried to at least give lip service and make some progress in the pivot to asia. here s the thing, paul. what are the tangible results she s going to talk about? i mean, you have this list of ten things you ve talked about. first thing on your list is something she opposed. not true. i m not going to let you get away with that. she is the reason we have sanctions on iran. now we re talking rhetorical. she freed that dissident. should we give him back? should we give him back? no, i don t think so. can you say that was a good thing? sure, but this is yes! two do you think voters are going to go to the polls they will go to the polls about the pivot to asia represents her understanding of workers and what the asian economy specifically in china means for the american economy. if that is something she s been unapologetic about and was also forward thinking with the very pivot that professor begala is talking about. but, again, none of these things when you look at the big issues that faced her, the arab spring, when you look at what happened in iran asia s not a big issue? the green movement, syria, russia, libya, overthrowing gadhafi. where are these tangible results that she s going to take to voters? saying i pivoted to asia does not count. we have to take a quick break. we can get through all those specifics, believe me. i have a long list. i want to point something out as a political strategist is this. my republican friends are looking at the prospect of a hillary campaign and have plan a and a plan b. i ll let you know their secret strategy next. first, this question. how long did hillary clinton s first memoir, living history spend on the new york times bestseller list? was it 12 weeks? 34 weeks? or 55 weeks? we ll have the answer when we return. are the largest targets in the world, for every hacker, crook and nuisance in the world. but systems policed by hp s cyber security team are constantly monitored for threats. outside and in. that s why hp reports and helps neutralize more intrusions than anyone. in the world. if hp security solutions can help keep the world s largest organizations safe, they can keep yours safe, too. make it matter. 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(anncr vo) innovations that work for you. that s health in numbers. unitedhealthcare. welcome back to crossfire. hillary clinton s new memoir comes out tomorrow. i cannot wait. book sellers have preordered a million copies. actually should not be any great surprise. the marketplace works. her first memoir living history spent 34 weeks on the new york times bestseller list. if you guessed 34 weeks, you got it right. winner. i have known hillary clinton for a very long time. i don t know for sure whether she s going to run for president. i m wearing my knees out praying. i know this. my republican friends have two friends for that eventuality. plan a try to keep her from running, while they re launching all these crazy attacks. plan b if that doesn t work out, republicans lose to hillary and she doesn t become president. republicans, if you want to avoid plan b, keep up the attacks like the one abc s diane sawyer asked hillary clinton about. mitch mcconnell said at one point, 2016 will be the return of the golden girl. that was a very popular long-running tv series. yeah. i speak hillary, tim, and here is what she means when she says that. that was popular in the long-running, she s saying bring it on. i will point out mitch mcconnell who attacked her apparently for that little snide comment is six years older. he s 72 running for a six-year term. hillary is 66 hopefully going to run for a four-year term. this is counterproductive for your side, isn t it? let s talk about two of the other questions that happened in that interview. isn t mitch mcconnell you can get to your shots. you have a whole book attacking hillary. isn t it stupid and sexist for mitch mcconnell by the way, again, who s six years older than hillary to be raising these kind of snide comments? i certainly think there are lots more credible way you can attack hillary clinton and if you look at the interview she did with diane sawyer, only seen two clips. one of them, she talked about how she struggled so much to pay the mortgage when getting an $8 million advance and her husband was selling access to himself and the white house to the highest bidder not true. it was driven. $12 million in the camp by ken starr and right wing attack. worth $1 million to $2 million. what is this, russia? we re not allowed to get rich anymore? they haven t developed a widget. they sold themselves. here s another we re going to talk numbers. 40% of the speeches that hillary clinton is giving are for free. it s for charitable causes. she is raising money. she is out there. she can get paid over $1 million for excellent causes. she s a woman of the people. tracy, now, we know you are ready for hillary. that s is true. not vimeveryone in the di democratic party is. a recent poll wants other democrats to run against her. here s what former governor of montana said about her. he said you can t be a candidate that shakes down more money on wall street than anybody since i don t know, woodrow wilson, and be a populist. now, he sounds a lot more like today s democrats than hillary does, to me. is he wrong about her? well, governor schweitzer, it s an interesting line for him to go to and isn t the first line he said something like this. what we re talking about when we look biographically, issues involving the inequality. as secretary of state, the notion of inequality for her was a guiding principle in why we needed to stabilize in certain countries, that growing inequalities are actually a grave danger for societies. this is something that has guided her as first lady, as a senator, as the secretary of state. it s been her principle. so inequality, hillary clinton, go back and look at her words to the new america foundation recently i just think this is going to be a tough sell for her. hillary clinton is going to have the closest ties to wall street out of he candidate in either party. she was getting paid $200,000 per speech by the biggest wall street firm. the idea she s going to be able to tap into this elizabeth warren movement is pretty ridiculous and doesn t help when she s lamenting her $100 million as having trouble putting food on the table. if we re interesting in talking about people who dared to make a living and been successful, it s also worth noting that for her, the charitable events that they re doing is just a part of the story. both bill and hillary clinton have given upwards of 10% of their entire income to charity. a figure that so did mitt romney. that absolutely goes beyond mitt romney bought companies and laid the workers off, took their pensions and health benefits. those workers didn t much like him so they made not talking about here s the problem with the theory. it ain t working. let me show you some polls. okay, you guys have been on this now banging hillary for 20 years and especially the last two. not you personally, but the right. here s where she stands according to the abc news/ washington post poll. 59% approve of the job she has done as secretary of state. 67% say she s a strong leader. look at this. 6 o% say she s honest. if you got her down so if you ve got her down to 59% after only 20 years, you ll get her down to zero in 200 more. you need a new strategy. hillary polls the worst when she s in the middle of a campaign, when there s a partisan fight going on, because she doesn t wear well. she didn t in 2008. who polls better in the middle of the campaign? i was on your website today, and i noticed all the amazing merchandise you guys have for sale. those are water bottles, there s a dog collar, there s a hillary clinton cell phone case. aren t you afraid all this stuff will turn off average american voters, who are concerned that hillary is seen more as a brand and less as an actual problem solver, who s down in the gritty dirt trying to solve the real problems of the american people? the supply and demand issue is a interesting one with ready for hillary. they can t keep the merchandise in stock. there is a clambering by her supporters growing every day. the deficit isn t with her admirers, it s with average americans the idea of hillary as a brand is certainly been an exciting one that people for her supporters, tracy. there s ready for hillary bus that s going to be going around the country that s what i m talking about. that branding of hillary did not turn on enough voters in the democratic primary. i m glad that you re giving me the opportunity to say something that i have said many times. if there was an inevitability about hillary clinton, ready for hillary would not exist and i don t know how much more plainly to make that case, so every time that word comes up, that is going to be my answer. i think this whole notion of my party of inevitability is damaging. jim messina the answer to it is, when you right wingers attack her, it boosts her. this talented woman is being attacked. it s great for hillary. stay here. we want you at home to weigh in. was hillary clinton an effective secretary of state? 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unsupervised kids tonight, we will continue the debate. caution, you are about to enter the no spin zone. the factor begins right now. hi, i m bill o reilly. thanks for watching tonight. as we present a very special talking points edition of the factor. we begin with the american left. and capitalism. with president obama s job approval numbers falling, and the democratic party having trouble in an election year, you would think that committed liberalns americans would low key it a bit, you would think. but, no, they are upping the rhetoric, especially the anti-capitalism stuff. hillary clinton is widely seen to be the democratic nominee in 2016 for president. she portrays herself as a moderate. that s not good enough for on the far left.llar does hillary clinton sound to you like the right person for this moment? in a time when corporations have hijacked our politics, enabling them to reap all the profit without any compunction to do right by their workers. as someonee who sat on the anti-rabid board of wal-mart for six years, the rightto person to restore workers rights in a time when we re still reeling from a global financial disaster brought on by full hearty bank deregulation is someone who who recently took $400,000 to give two speeches at goldmanhe sachs the person we need tost rest control of the asylum back from the banking inmates? now that anti-capitalistic commentary is the far left signature issue. talking points believes there must bemu oversight on banks andd big business to to do the right thing is foolish and naive. if you don t believe me read a little teddy roosevelt. many on the left want to t dismantle the entire corporate system. and we are seeing the se consequences of that in thences obama administration. now, entering his sixth yearar in office, the president hasent not been a friend tote corporate america. he advocates high taxes topa pay for an entitlement culture. business knows that and has not expanded, preferring to hoard profits or keep themse overseas where theyas cannot be taxed. that s why the job situation and income for working americans is stagnant.good for every good job available, there are plenty of applicants, therefore, salaries are suppressed. the government can provide well-paying jobs on a mass scale. it cannot. and every country that has tried that has failed. 90 miles off the coast of florida look what happen in cuba. that should be affluent country but communism has killed the country. hillary clinton must fight zealot tri on the left. she will defeat it she will get the nomination and mrs. clinton will run as a moderate democrat promising to reform some of president obama s ante business policies. that s what she will do. and that s the memo. now for the top story tonight, reaction, joining us from washington, ellen who worked for president obama s 2012 campaign. and with us in the studio dr. screeny. who teaches political science. where am i going wrong, doctor? i think you are on to something here. i think in my mind this speaks to enormous division and increasing division in the democratic party. so you look and you see the attacks this hillary is getting from the left and not a surprise but i think many people predict that wall street for 2016 will be her achilles hill heel in the same way the iraq war was in 2008. something she will have a fight. if she becomes nominee and elected many on this kind of new left progressive left fear that she is going to be too close it wall street and continue her husband s moderate policy. that s a given. i don t think hillary clinton although they made a big show of being with de blasio who is about as far as left as you get and they were all raw raw and the mayor of new york wants to confiscate everything, i m not quite sure how much. but i have got my bike chained six times. so i bet you have a nice bike too. dr. there is a division in the democratic party like the republican party like the paper people and moderate republicans. growing division between the so-called progressive ring and moderate ring, do you see it that way? i don t see that division historically as you guys see it i see a rhetorical concern, i think about whether hillary clinton is talking to the right people, hearing the right ideas. what are the right ideas? tell me what s right and what s wrong? look, obviously the far left has articulated by ms. ball, the commentator that we use to set it up. believes that hillary clinton is a tool, a shrill, taking money from goldman sachs, 200,000 for two speeches. that s more than i get. that s outrageous. okay? and so they don t want her. they want elizabeth warren. they want this socialist up in massachusetts. that s who they want. maybe what they want is to have elizabeth warren s voice represented in hillary clinton s campaign. i think there is a great unanimity among democrats that hillary clinton would be a great candidate and we would love to have her. i think the concern about whether she is talking to bankers or not is not really real because i don t think that there is any ms. ball said we don t want her. i don t want her. flat out said it and you do you believe as ms. quawl does, is there a division? is it getting to be a brawl type thing or is it oh we just disagree? i think it s a division now. my feeling and my sense is it is going to grow because historically that s what happens with political parties in the united states. parties become begin and become divided. i think we are seeing that and i think bill de blasio s election here in new york city who is now the leading progressive in the country and somebody who we know has been close to the clintons but there is this kind of growing sense that. yeah, but she can t run on de blasio nationwide. and let me tell you this ms. qualls. hillary clinton has got to pull back from president obama. because he got a 19% decline in median income for working americans under obama administration. do you have a big burgeoning stock market that only gets fat cats like me. it doesn t benefit the worker people, union people. and you have this unbelievable unemployment problem because the private industry is saying you know, we are north going to expand. we don t like obama care. we don t like the high corporate tax. we are going it keep all our money in luxenburg, we are not going to bring it back. hillary clinton is going to have to walk back all of that stuff. you know that. well, bill, you, me, and hillary clinton probably all agree that the minimum wage should be increased. i do. but that s small ball. the big thing is jobs that pay well. but we all agree that wall street needed some reforms after the giant meltdown. i haven t geraldo hillary clinton say there is anything that shield roll back in wall street reform. i think it s rhetorical thing. it s a shot across the bough from the left. i don t think it s a real concern. i mean, it is an unsustainable argument that hillary clinton hasn t worked her entire public life to create more opportunity and access to opportunity. i appreciate you ladies coming on. it s a very interesting and important topic. here is what is sustainable. hillarycan t run on the obama economy unless there is a miracle in the last three years. she is not going to repudiate it because there are elements that she agrees with. we will see her walk a moderate line. positive signs from the obama economy you have got to commit. deficit is down, unemployment is down. there are positive signs. i agree with you not all is perfect. you have seen the polls, doctor, lately? 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well, i believe that what can happen is if people do not speak up for what they believe, they can be trampled. their rights can be trampled to various and sundry degrees. now, of course, the objective of many on the left is to take a single word that you are not supposed to say. you can t say nazis and slavery, that s political correctness as you well know. i do not believe in that. i think it s a bunch of crap and it doesn t really belong in the american system where we have freedom of speech and freedom of expression. you don t regr using the buzz word nazi. what you pointed to historically is correct. what you said is absolutely correct the germans were not members of the nazi party. they sat on their butts and they allowed the fanatics to take over that could not happen here because of our system in checks and balances. but, i think what you are worried about it is the obama administration s policies in general taking root. is that what you are worried about? there are a couple of things that i m worried about. i m worried about the fact that the pop police is being silent and is not expressing what they believe because they are afraid. they have been intimidated. by whom? by the government. how? by the government and by the media, by the p.c. police. you say something, all of a sudden like this is a perfect example. you know, you are using an example of how people would not speak up. they try to turn the argument away from that because they know it s true. they know what i m saying is true. but, rather than talk about that, they want to divert the issue to something else. you couple that with the fact that our congress needs to be a little more courageous because the reason we have a divided government is if one branch of the government gets a little bit over exuberant they need to reign them. in we need courage there to do that. politicians encourage, we are not seeing you know but, look, the last time well, maybe not the last time in the fall you said, look, you you were bothered by the irs to an extent that you felt they were trying to intimidate you; is that correct? yeah. i don t think it is cointhe government agency that you can point to in your life, dr. carson s life that you believe was put upon you to shut you up. and it s not just me. we we now have a government that is trying to take over the healthcare of the pop pop pop pop pop why would you put the irs over something so massive. they are the enforcement agency of fines. they because it was ruled a tax by the supreme court foolishly, so somebody has to enforce the taxation element and that s the irs. so, on paper, it makes sense. but you heard the president of the united states tell me, your humble correspondent there is not a smidgen of corruption in the irs. you heard that. right. we heard that and that, to me, is it strains credulity that he actually believes that but that we let people get away with it this is what bothers me. the fact that the congress doesn t stand up and say no, you may not implement this program because the a major portion of it is still under investigation. and we are not done with that. we don t do that in regular life. we don t take somebody who is under suspicion and put them in charge of something major like that. we have to just start doing things that are logical and that make sense again. all right, helping young americans at risk is a powerful talking points you do not want to miss. later, the action from obama s senior advisor valerie jarrett. it requires accountability and people to step up to the plate and work hard and stay in school and excel and dream. but it also requires a community around them to provide a safety net. ck pain. .and a choice. take 4 advil in a day which is 2 aleve. .for all day relief. start your engines fueling the american spirit. can you hear it? 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right now there is no peer pressure. that has to change. fourth, the initiative has to get local business people to hire kids for summer jobs and internships. children must know about the work place and what is expected there. and, finally, the american law enforcement has to engage children at risk to convince them they are not the enemy. if those five things are part of the my brother s keeper initiative, i can guarantee you america will begin to turn the terrible situation around. but, if people continue not to make judgments about bad parents, disorderly children, chaos in the family unit, we continue to make excuses for all that, problem is only going to get worse. hopefully today the white house made the first step and i believe that american business, law enforcement and we, the people, will step up to help the kids at risk.ea i really believe that andth that s the memo. top story tonight. reaction. senior advisor valerie jarrett. i was pleased you invited me to this.s. people were fainting when i walked in. we were delighted to have you. look, the president mentioned in his remarks a culture of cynicism on the a streets. nicism on the streets. not just blacks but it s the poor and the hard core, what they call gangstas. you know what i m talking about, right? there is a culture of cynicism like we can t make it. we re not going to be art pa of this. we re going to sell drugs and we are going to do what you we want. have you got to get in the afte. we all have a role we play here. this is not a big government program. the government s role is minor. it requires accountability. it requires people to step up to the plate. and work hard. and stay in school. and excel and dream. but it also requires a community around them to provide a safety net. the president talks about his own childhood he wasn t sitting in school. he was very some guidance. he had a lot of guidance. what he says he wants for all of our children is to have that safety net. but he also told them, look, boys, you aring if to have to work hard and you are going to have to act responsibly. have to attack the fundamental disease if you want to cure it now, i submit to you that you are going to have to get people like jay-z, all right, kanye west, all of these gangsta rappers to knock it off. that s number one. i think what these boys need is positive role models as you said. listen to me, listen to you c johnson there today he is a good guy. you have a bunch of these guys and a barrage, barrage, barrage and make it uncomfortable to have a baby out of wedlock. make it uncomfortable to sell drugs. you have got to reverse move, exercise. i want michelle obama to come on this program, right here and i want michelle obama look into the cam randstop say you teenage girls you stop having sex, you stop getting pregnant. this is wrong. i want her to do this right here. it s better iff she isassr actually sitting down in the classroom with the girls, inviting them to the white house. sharing her. that only reaches a few though. i believe that anything doe she does gets covered by the press. can i give you a compliment? would.sh you i believe that mymy brother s keeper program is going to work, okay.ok i think it s going to work. but it will work a lot faster and you will save a lot more lives if you incorporate what i m telling you tonight. you do you know, bill, what i really like is the fact that you are passionate about. this i care. i m a were fer teacher. i had them in my class 40 years ago. the situation has justhil gotten worse. it has. that s why we have to change the trajectory. wee appreciate you coming in tonight. it s a pleasure to beoni here. really? i m having fun. there you go. i am. white house correspondent ed henry will weigh in on the the my brother s keeper program. well, put on a breathe right strip and instantly open your nose up to 38% more than allergy medicines alone. so you can breathe and sleep. shut your mouth and sleep right. breathe right. at od, whatever business you re in, that s the business we re in. with premium service like one of the best on-time delivery records and a low claims ratio, we do whatever it takes to make your business our business. od. helping the world keep promises. upgrafor the most advanced norelshaving experience.00 with gyroflex 3d technology, you can get to those hard to reach places for the ultimate shave wet or dry. guaranteed. visit philips.com/fathersday now to save $50. enroute back to the vatican after a trip to the holy land. before departing today the pontiff honored holocaust victims by kissing the hands of several survivors. the ukraine s president elect wants to talks with moscow and end a pro-rugs insurgency in the eastern part of the country. porchenko promising to open a dialogue. he also said he would not negotiate with terrorists, rebels are calling his election illegitimate. i m kelly wright, now back it to a special o reilly factor. big things. number one, did anything stand out for you? what stood out for me is that the seeds of today were started a year ago this month in chicago is at an event with the president where he was highlighting a program called becoming a man which is sort of an after school sports program in chicago. the president was visibly moved there after meeting with some of the young people who are part of that program. some of those folks were back here today from chicago at the white house. and what stuck out for me then and now was that the president wasn t just sitting there saying i m going it help people and set an example by talking about how great i am. he talked about his failures and whether you are an anchorman or president talking to kids like this. the president opening up about how he basically didn t know his father. that he used drugs. saying things you don t hear a president say could be more effective with these kids by saying look that doesn t mean you are dead end. you could wind up becoming president and becoming anchormen. those messages are all positive. the i chided him in the super bowl sunday interview. i remember. i said come on, when are you going to get off it and start do something big. got into the door today. what i m trying to get across to the nation to valerie jarrett has got to be more personal than that the president can visit kids did at the white house. you can t visit with all kids. you can go on the television and the net and look into the cameraened a say don t g to hurt you. it s not fair to the baby. that s that s what has to be done. got to get pinhead rappers and get these people idolized to start to get that message out that was not included in the initiative broader economic issues not just about this issue inive. make sure the broader economic policies helping people not just of color but helping people all around the country if you look at it just african-american youth unemployment right now is something like 26% in this country. the president has been in office for five years. you can talk about these initiatives. they may make a difference. but the broader economic policies that the president is pushing, that he is fighting it out with the republicans on the hill, those have a huge impact as well. when you have got 26% african-american youth unemployment, i think it s about 15% for hispanic youth unemployment, obviously broader unemployment is bad for people, white, asian, black, you name it but when you look at those kind of numbers there are a lot of policies that need to be put in place. the reason the numbers are there a lot of these kids can t read and speak. that s why we have to get back down to hey, if by the 3rd grade you can t read, it s one-on-one. have you got to teach them to next up, is hip hop harmful to america s youth? 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[ male announcer ] if you can t afford your mication, astrazeneca may be able to help. thanks for watching us i m boiferl, thank you for watching us tonight. harmful entertainment. that is the subject of this east coast s talking points memo. if you saw the factor last night you know that president obama has launched a huge initiative target rother . it s a good initiative as we discussed with the president s senior advisor valerie jarrett. if you missed the interview ing the entertainment factor. these are effecting unsupervised children of all colors. makes billions putting out stuff like this. i fought so hard [bleep] now, if you can t see that unsupervised children might be harmed by that kind of stuff, then you are not responsible person. period. in order to help children at risk, the american society has got to convince them to stop destructive behavior. like using drugs. committing violence, getting enablers to showof apologists d themselves. the fact that this per pettation of young black men, whether you are famous or not famous whether you are a thug or a gangster because, what, because you listen to rap music, rap music is the reflection of our society. o reilly is uncomfortable with this culture. that s understandable. he did not come from this culture. that culture has some validities, if you will. sure. validities. the overall effect of base entertainment is corruption of impressionable children but will never ever get the far left and many in the entertainment industry to admit that the uber left will not make judgments. the industry simply wants to make money. i enormous. the my brother s keeper initiative is a very positive thing for this country. but unless it is coupled with a change in the entertainment culture, it will not reach nearly as many children as it should. and that s the memo. now for the top story underminig black america and what we can do about it here in the studio kevin powell, president of the b.k. nation. b.s. nation standing for building knowledge. where have i gone wrong. i think the issue is not that i myself hip hop culture for 30 years has said some of the things that you are s what you just saw. for adults, as i say, i don t care. i mean, you are an adult, you want this, that s fine with me. i have no problem. but 12 and it s corrupt. i mean, this is a culture of failure. it is dogging black america. i think you are right to call it out. but you know what happens is the critics as you say come out and they say oh, if yo are g talking about black women as hos and bitches. horrible. bad schools, all the environmental barriers to their success and attitude. how do you respond to that? but nothing about building a family. you know, the problem with people like mr. williams is that not only does he not know anything about hip hop culture and its history. oh, stop. actually you don t. because i have never seen you involved with anything to do with hip hop. wait, let him talk. the same thing you are saying now in 2014 mr. williams was said about hip hop when it was balanced in culture in the 198 os and 90s. we saw a diversity of voices same people attacking hip hop. even if you took hip hop out of the equation, poor schools, lack of economic opportunities still be out there. this morning i started my day in brownsville brooklyn. i have a firm in look britain one of the poorest communities in america. these kids are dealing with systemic problem. this initiative is designed to at least bring yesterday said there was a culture of cynicism in these precincts that young men who get into trouble, generally speaking. i think this applies to girls too. they don t want that s not whm saying. what i m saying. even if you listen to hip hop and its totality from the very beginning to the president. is actually as american as apple pie. they are talking about everything else we see in america. talking about it in a way that alienates the system. you can t get a job if you walk in to ibm and use that kind of a presentation. you can t. but what i m say talking, sir, with all due respect first of all we who are having this hip hop culture and the industry that you referenced at the top of the show. we agree about the problems with the industry. it s the ceos who put out this. i m putting the rap yawn is putting the rap on jay-z beyonce and so on. why are you accusing the rap people. basically they used to do ministerial shows with they have black people standing up and doing a minstrel show. the big market for this is white people. it s a white male teen fantasy, they get to use the n word and v. all the sexual references and nasty words. violence. and you asked me to let you finish. give the last words. let me tell you i grew up in brooklyn i come up from crown heights. i grew up in that situation. i have got to tell you when you are saying to young people you can t succeed in the system which is what the president and bill o reilly just said, that is corrupt. that is corrosive to the way (woman) this place has got really good chocolate shakes. 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mrs. clinton had her hands full. to blame her for the attack in libya, not fair. yes, security was bad and the state department was warned. but those things are usually handled by others, not the secretary of state. however, after the attack, now hillary clinton should have stepped up and explained the situation. instead, she herself referred to an anti muslim video as insighting the violence. she went along with what the ocbama administration was puttig out there. that was wrong and that s on her. the key question right now is did president obama himself actually come up with the false narrative? no committee will get that defined unless a guy like john dean steps up. his testimony took the president down. so the congressional committee will uncover some facts but unless a white house insider comes forward, the president will not likely be effected. there is a second scandal surrounding benghazi, some in congress don t want to know the truth, just like vice president gerald ford during watergate. they are in denial. the president was in the process of negotiating with the soviet union. the president was trying to handle the war in vietnam. i m sure he turned to those running the reelection campaign and said i have these major matters that involve the national security and well being of the american people and you run the campaign, and therefore i m convinced he had nothing whatsoever to do with watergate. it is erie the same kind of stuff being said today about benghazi. diversion benghazi, benghazi, why aren t we talking about something else? we ve already had thousands and thousands of pages of testimony, four committees in the house, two bipartisan committees in the senate. this is a waste of taxpayer money. again, supporters of the president simply want to know. now, as far as the irs scandal is concerned, the one woman who can break the case has been held in contempt of congress, as you know. if a federal grand jury is convened, ms. learner could be charged with a crime. that is the only way, the only way she might tell the world what happened, if she can make some kind of deal. just one man will make that decision, the u.s. attorney for the district of colombia. it s up to him alone to call for a grand jury. he works for eric holder and appointed by president obama. so talking points does not expect ms. learner to face a criminal proceeding. did the white house actually order the irs to target conservative groups? the president denied it to me on super bowl sunday. we re not likely to get to the bottom of this because the system is flawed. you cannot make learner talk for political reasons and it s the law. a muslim terrorist group kidnapped 300 girls 16 to 18 year ols old. the problem is not getting any better. there are scores of islamic groups terrorizing civilians all over the world, yet, what are the muslim nations doing? very little. there should be a summit organizing against them and if you speak out, you re a bigot, a terrible person. most muslims are good people but a substantial minority cause trouble, syria, iran, openly kill civilians with little repercussion and another problem that seems to have no solution. kidnapping little girls? i mean, that s enough. brit hue may disagree with me about hillary clinton and benghazi. he will be here. our fiber. try phillips fiber good gummies. our fiber. they re delicious, and an excellent source of fiber to help support regularity. wife: mmmm husband: these are good! marge: the tasty side of fiber. from phillips. nineteen years ago, we thought, wow, how is there no way to tell the good from the bad? so we gave people the power of the review. and now angie s list is revolutionizing local service again. you can easily buy and schedule services from top-rated providers. conveniently stay up to date on progress. and effortlessly turn your photos into finished projects with our snapfix app. visit angieslist.com today. whon a certified pre-ownedan unlimitedmercedes-benz?nty what does it mean to drive as far as you want. for up to three years and be covered? 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personally you know her? yes, i ve known her for years. i didn t know her that well. i did one interview, spent a little bit of time. you correct me if i m wrong because you ve known her for years. she s not a micro manager kind of person. she s the front person. all right? that got sent all over the world, constantly on the go, doing, i don t know what she was doing half the time. couldn t really figure it out. i can t imagine hillary clinton sit there and saying gee, what is going on in benghazi today. bill, we do know what that mission was there and what the ambassador was doing. we ll have a better idea it seems almost impossible that hillary clinton would be paying attention to benghazi no matter how many warnings the state department got, they don t go to her, they go to other people. i just can t see it. is it wrong, remember watergate, the third rate burglary. that was the first. it was almost like the democrats today. it was almost like nancy pelosi, all most the same. third rate burglary. all right? doesn t matter, these guys, the plumbers broke into the watergate to try to find stuff about the democratic campaign. that s what we heard. we heard it and heard it and heard it. that s exactly what we re hearing. this isn t a big deal. isn t it erie? it s almost exactly the same. it s the same in both cases we had a coverup. bill, before we make watergate comparisons, it s worth remembering that nearly 70 people were accused in the end of crimes in watergate and i think 48 or so were convicted. so we re a long way from talking about that. we re not a long way from how the politicians are reacting. we re right there, and when you re talking about a watergate break in for political intelligence, which it was, as opposed to an american ambassador being murdered, which story is more important? there is so much we know and can t say. watergate turned out to be a crime wave and until we see something that indicates something on that scale, i just think that watergate comparisons are best left on the shelf. i disagree respectfully.
to the russians. we no angela merkel has some concerns about that, because the trade flows between germany and russia both ways are huge, but so far, wolf. that test hasn t been put to the countries. they re still talking with one voight. maybe it s only that that s brought putin back from the brink. even so, i would put it this way. 200 points on the dow, it s scotch miss. it could disappear tomorrow if things turn nasty again. certainly could. this is a real volatile situation. richard quest, thanks very much. remember, you can always follow us on twitter. tweet me @warm frontblitzer. tweet the show @sitroom. let any step in with van jones and s.e. cupp. president obama s work is paying off he says have laid mer putin has hit the pause button. which means as much as when russia hit the reset button. the debate starts right now. tonight on crossfire , until pressure from president obama, is vladimir putin backing down? there have been some reports that president putin is pausing for a moment. is he proving his republican critics wrong? on the left, van jones. on the right s.e. cupp. in the crossfire, howard dean, former presidential candidate, and paul wolfowitz, a former deputy defense secretary. is the obama doctrine working? are some republicans undermining the president abroad? tonight on crossfire. welcome to crossfire. we re continuing cnn s breaking news coverage of the crisis in ukraine. i m s.e. cupp on the right. we have a former presidential candidate and former pentagon official. today we saw big hits that the tough diplomacy with russia might work. kerry delivered a billion dollar package to kiev. behind the scenes, the obama administration has put together a crippling set of proposed economic sanctions. while the president is busy doing his job, his republican critics keep trying to undermine him. freshman senator and self-appointed foreign policy expert ted cruz writing under the headline language of fools have laid mer putin running rampant shows how the obama administration s abdication of global leadership is making the world a more dangerous place. thank you very much for that help in a crisis, ted cruz. ted cruz is taking cheap shots. meanwhile, his republican friends are actually trying to raise money on this crisis. instead of actually trying to solve it. i just think that s terrible, s.e. let s moveon.org. here on kroich kroich, former governor howard dean and former deputy defense secretary paul wolfowitz. clearly, clearly president obama has underestimated vladimir putin. russia is stalling on syria, undermining our negotiations in iran, and now russia is invading ukraine. i m not suggesting that obama has made putin a bad actor. russia has been a bad actor for quite some time, but can t you agree that putin has been emboldened by our weakness in that region? no, i don t agree with that. first of all, i think it is true that putin has not kept his word on syria. i think what putin s actions are against international law. i think the president is doing the right thing. he s ratcheting up the heat, slowly enough that putin has a chance to back off. one problem with putin is not only he s broken the law, but he now has to back down an save face at the same time. he needs the opportunity to do that. the president needs to titan the vise, and not making it to some of the rhetoric is great, especially with what secretary kerry has said, the fact that he s taken the ukrainian foreign minister with him is a good thing. you can talk about tightening gradually, but there s i think we re long past the point where some firm action should be taken. let me be clear, the firm action is to begin to scare the 100 or 200 richest people in russia who are the prop of putin s regime and have the money illegitimately. that s the money at risk. that needs to be done and done quickly. the brits, usually or stronger allies are putting the can i bosch. david cameron in a leaked piece of paper, said it was leaked today, said yesterday, that he wasn t interested in any kind of thing that might take russian money out of the city of london. talk about a message of weakness. putin is the problem here, not ted cruz. i have criticism of obama s behavior up to this point. i would say, for example, on this example, you know, putin looks at the red line in syria, the chemical weapons thing. he doesn t but the way to make him take it seriously is to do something now. if cameron doesn t like it, tell the british people that enabling london s theft of money. i didn t say weakness. i said rhetoric and reality. duly corrected. isn t the reality that they face the same situation when putin ran into georgia, and they did nothing? two wrongs don t make a right where i come from. we should say something about american values and interests at stake here. and it is taking place in a very unstable where every country has large minority interested in it. what would you have done difficultly this week, what would you have told him to do? i would go bad further. i would say don t talk reset with a man who s declared his goal in life is to restore the soviet union. i would not have whispered i ll have more flexibility after the election. fair enough. what would you have done this week difficultly? you start with evaluating him realistically. what do you think he thinks of our study? i really have no use for the russians at all. i haven t for a long time. i like the russians. i don t like putin. the history of russia since the revolution has not been a pretty one in terms of their can i correct you on that for a minute? yeah. in 1994, a different russian president, boris yeltsin agreed with ukrainian independence. the ukrainance in return gave up their nuclear weapons and allowed the russians to have this base in crimea. putin is not a typical russian. he s a typical kgb cold war the point i m trying to make is i do want to say that if i m behind the scenes, i want to screen the russians carefully and slowly. i think the ukrainance have handled this incredibly well. they just kicked out an incredibly corrupt president who really had no stanton anymore. they have an unstable government, because they re trying to put this together. for them not to fire a shot was very, very smart. they would have ended up where the georgians did. this is tough stuff. i don t have to tell you that. you ve been in the seat. it s not a matter of saying we have to support the president. it s a matter of saying we need to give this president time to get to the result he needs to get to. i think running going too fast and too hard is probably a mistake. do you agree with the ambassador we should cancel our appearance at the g-8? eventually yes, but let s work up to that carefully. i assume somebody is telling vladimir putin, this is what you can expect in the next few days. if you don t do something to i don t think have laid march pew people tell putin there s always a back channel, always a way that somebody is talking to somebody in the kremlin. i presume they re saying this is what is really going to happen. let me bring up recent poll numbers on president obama. he came into office in 2009 and said he wanted to restore image around the role, but this poll asked if americans think the president is respected abroad. in the five years he s been in office, it s dropped 26 percentage points president isn t that an indictment of the foreign policy? i think that s hard to say. almost every president, including his predecessor is at their nater of this time in the second term. if you think the president kicks his dog, he might get better numbers. don t you think the president has made some very serious foreign policy mistakes. we don t need to color the entire administration, but you would add miss his s made some mistake. i this was that was a mistake. putin bailed him out. a farce cal but that s on putin. we need to hold him accountable for that red line. i think we need to do that. let me ask you a question. even looking at russia. if you look at what obama has been able to do, first of all, he didn t what he said was we re going to do three pragmatic things air rights over russia. he got that done. he said he was going to get russian table on iran. he actually has gone some things done here with regard to russia, and now the eu really is the one that how system obama s fault at this stage? look, you talked about what american public opinion, judging what foreigners think about the united states. i care about one foreign are at this moment and it s vladimir putin. he kind of gave his opinion, maybe is changing his mind, but the last statement is a warning that he will do it elsewhere in ukraine. i think we re talking about how to manage risk here. no one wants this thing to blow up into a military confrontation, but peeten seems to think he can keep pushing and pushing. we re going to find out. in the next few days. he s going to stay where he is or advance into eastern ukraine. if he does that, i think you ll see some major stuff going on. we blamed obama and bush, but there s one person who also bearing blame here. i ll ask howard dean about her, next. 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this is ridiculous conversation, s.e. it really isn t. this is going to haunt her for the next two years. these are talking points. it s beneath your show to put out partisan talk you don t think she s responsible for setting the tone of naivete with a clearly bad actor? first of all, it was joe biden s idea, and second of all the president s idea and that was before hillary clinton was even asked to be secretary of state, first of all. second of all, it is irresponsible not to talk to a major glob power and try to work stuff out with them. as van earlier said, what about the disarmament agreement, which is still successful, which the president had to get through, thanks to people like dick lugar, we prevailed. this is ridiculous washington talk. i hope you re right, i have a feeling this might come back to haunt her. i m sure it will, and people won t give a damn. people give a damn. this is a this is the ted cruz talk of the this is also s.e. cupp. people are talking about it. you don t want to be in the same seat with ted cruz. i don t mind. as we get to you, actually talk does matter and some of the talk from the republicans has been incredibly irresponsible. i want you to see this tweet from one of the great republican leaders, lindsey graham. he said it started with benghazi. when you kill americans and nobody pays a price, you invite this type of aggressio aggression, #ukraine. here is lindsey graham, a foreign policy guru sending out mean tweets, blaming the president for this. don t you think that s irresponsible? lindsey graham has to speak for himself. i think it is a risky world when people begin to think forget benghazi. people look at syria, and they see the president of the united states says assad must go. he says chemical weapons mustn t be used. now they have agreed chemical weapons are used and we do nothing. frankly he was fighting the act, which have labeled some of the cleptocrats didn t. don t you think this type of stuff it s not like anything the democrats ever did. i know! where is this i ve got one more indignant thing which i think is even worse, and this is from the head of the republican senate campaign saying president obama s leadership on the world stage has been marked by weakness, indecent and incompetent. say you re committed to restoring real american leadership by contributing today. they are actually raising money in the middle of a crisis. are you really sure that democrats have not done just that a million times? that feels an hypocrite cal. do you think this type of stuff is appropriate? i m not here to condone or approve. that s not the way i talk and it s not the way i like people talking about us in the administration, but believe me, the democrats in my experience do it three or four times more than republicans. so, you know, it s the pot calling the kettle black. maybe so. but honestly it s not the biggest issue of the time, by the way. putin is not judging his behavely what ted cruz or lindsey graham says. he s judges behave by what he thinks president obama is going to do. so far he hasn t seen much. i have not seen the republicans support the president on anything. name one thing that the republicans have supported him on. we did support your administration when it came to immigration and health care reform. we did try to stand with you on the wars. unfortunately the republicans have not stood with the president on anything. the republicans have supported the president in afghanistan. i don t know i think better than democrats. the republicans supported the president on his asia policy, particularly his breakthrough in burma, which was a genuine success. and democrats did not support the president on his syria policy. they didn t vote for it, either. i know a lot of democrats who are privately unhappy, as maybe howard is privately, at what looks like, sorry to say it, weakness in the face of a villain out tie rant. just today, it s still teetering on the brink of disaster. take a look at this encounter. i mean, that s intense stuff. today the russians moved forward with a preplanned intercontinental ballistic missile test which would been scheduled. i don t know that he had to do it today, but he decided to. isn t putin showing he s ready to go? we have to find that out. look, we re not going to commit troops to this. of course not. of course not. so that leaves one other possibility. that s some sort of diplomacy coupled with sanctions, which i hope is where the president is going. again, i revert to what i said earlier. first of all, we don t know what s going on behind the scenes, but i m sure something is, because it always does. secondly, what the president should be doing, and i suspect he is, is tightening plenty i have advance notice. i think he s trying to avoid any rhetoric that he doesn t have to get into. he needs to get putin to stand down and putin to save face needs to show he s doing it. so far, there hasn t been a shot aimed at another soldier on the other side. once that happens, it s almost impossible to put that the genie back in the bottle. are you confident we can talk putin down? not at all. i think putin has to see something tough in his face. we re consumed with who in the united states is to blame for all this. the man to blame is vladimir putin. the tragedy and we should emphasize this more than we do is that you know, boris yeltsin was comfortable ukrainian independence. things were going well till this thief became the tie rapt of russia. taking russia back into the 20th century. shevardnadze was the president. the succession of crooks. it wasn t till the orange revolution putin started to get nervous. you re right shevardnadze wasn t in russia. weigh in on today s fire back question. is president obama underestimate std vinnie polit ing it vladimir putin? 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you re reporting a lot of inconsistencies, but overall did this rape even occur? she could be grossly wrong about the facts or making it up or something in between. have you been able to ascertain from your reporting whether she was assaulted? that s difficult to tell, of course. her friends believe something happened to her and they believe something awful and traumatic and horrific. and those based on the evidence that they have seen, that s what they believe. i ve spoken to two people who saw her in the immediate aftermath of the incident and both of them say they absolutely believe something happened, just maybe not exactly what was reported in rolling stone. looking at the facts, one of the things is whether an assault occurred of some sort and the whole idea of putting it in the public domain and how well you do your fact checking. the rolling stone is getting barbecued by everybody about its reporting. tell me, what did you determine to be when doing your reporting, what did you learn differently from what rolling stone reported? first it was the fact that the fraternity did not host a party on the night in question? could they just be mistaken? or could it be a nonofficial party? we ve obviously looked into everything we can. we re looking to confirm with fraternity members who were there at that time and we ve spoken to several off the record and on the record. we re looking to do as best as we can to confirm that. but so far no proof that there was a party there, official or unofficial that night? they said there was not a party. one of her stories well, one of the things she says according to rolling stone is one of her assaulters worked as a lifeguard, is that correct? that s what she said. she worked as a lifeguard as well? that s what she said. that s what she said. now and that s what the rolling stone reported, right? correct. what did your real reporting show? we reported that no member of the fraternity was a lifeguard or worked at the aquatic fitness center that entire time of the night in question. did you have you had a chance to talk to the rolling stone and ask why they didn t go back and check these facts sorry or we tried or anything like that? not that i m aware of. what s been the reaction of your reporting? i think the news of this particular case is intriguing a lot of people. everybody just wants to know the truth of what happened that night and of course we re looking to find out what it is. and how many witnesses alleged witnesses or people who talked to her shortly after the alleged event did you talk to? i ve spoken to three people. and were the three people, in talking to them, were the events that they relayed similar to each other? i ve spoken to three people who saw her immediately after that particular event of the alleged attack. they told me a similar story of what they believe happened that night or what they were told happened that night. it is different from what was reported in rolling stone. different in what way? the number of people involved, for instance. so i think that five versus seven? sure. but it could be an easy miss tab, right? absolutely. they all believe something happened to her that night. something traumatic and something awful. and the three people, was there differences in what they told you material or just incidenstanccidental difference? i think any fact should be double checked and confirmed. having spoken with these people, we re learning something different than what was already reported. taylor, thank you very much, and good reporting. thank you. so first rolling stone changes its story and then changing its apology. a stunning admission from rolling stone magazine which could have implications on rape investigations and journalism. rolling stone admits it never contacted any of the accused. the fraternity has contradicted some of the reporting. shabby journalism and it s going viral. it was but fair and balanced in its exposeabout gang rape. it s an impairment embarrassment to rolling stone. it appears to all be falling apart. the most successful woman in radio, laura ingraham, joins us. first of all, whoever did that montage did great. how has uva handled this? look, i think the charges were so explosive and in a university setting where there s such heightened concern now in most cases about date rape, the way women are treated, title ix, i think initially everybody freaked out. fraternity brothers were trembling a little bit on camera and the university pledged to get to the bottom of things. but i think in the end, and you know this from all your experience in the court, truth matters, right? we don t know really what the truth was. it s always hard in these cases where there s a lot of booze. there s a lot of people hopped up after exams or before exams and they re all out having fun. i think some bad stuff does happen at these fraternities. but what happened that night and this type of reporting, i just think you can t not identify anyone, not have yourself identified and then go to rolling stone who i m sorry has an agenda here. rolling stone wanted this story to be true. i think they wanted the outcome of this is fraternity culture. they re subjecting women to violence. it s an all-male frat house mentality. it s animal house all over again, shut it down. if i had to say it, i would imagine they would prefer that all fraternities be shut down in the united states. now, did that affect the way they reported this story? it seems like a really lot of bad decisions were made in the reporting of this story. it s such a serious problem of rape that when you have someone do a really rotten job on reporting, it diminishes the real efforts to prevent these problems. look at the cosby issue all these years later. it s a horrific crime. it s also horrific to be accused of a crime falsely without any ability to defend yourself. the jury is out on cosby, though. right. i m just saying i m trying to look at it objectively. literally if anyone did this to my daughter, the fraternity membership would be the least of the problems they had. so i m not trying to make this big case for the fraternity. but objective truth should matter. and these so-called journalists at rolling stone, i mean i know a lot of people are writing this writer is a great writer. how do you publish something without having spoken to any of the fraternity brothers in question? it would have been so it would have been so easy. it s ajend genda driven. if conservatives had gone down the road that they had gone down on an issue that was important to them, demonizing an entire organization falsely, i think they would be all over them. i think it s one of the worst things you can do to serious matters is make a spectacle of it because now people are likely to think any allegations i don t think so. see, i ve heard that. i don t think so. i think people take this seriously, but i think we have to give women a sense that we are going to protect you. if you re victimized, we want you to speak up as contemporaneously as possible. it s one thing about uva shutting down the entire greek system ridiculous. total overreach. if someone commits an armed robbery five blocks from here the people who want to ban football and the people who want to ban fraternities, i bet that circle goes like this. as we said, emily clark insisting that jackie s story is not a hoax, a lie or a scheme but will that help rolling stone fight any potential lawsuits? joining us our legal panel, katie fang and ted williams. ted, uva or rolling stone face trouble here? greta, they could be but it s highly unlikely they re going to face a lawsuit in this case, may mainly as we know in defamation cases truth is a defense. however, even though we can show they acted negligently, meaning rolling stone here possibly, the question is was it reckless and that is the threshold that they may not be able to meet. plus we still haven t this is shoddy journalism, but we don t know if it s wrong journalism. that s the other problem is there s a difference between shoddy, not checking your facts, and having it right but doing it in such a poor way. jackie may very well have been telling the truth in the material situation here. katie, there s a big difference between journalism and the law, isn t there? to be a journalist, you just say i m a journalist. in law, we go to school, we take courses and evidence, we even take tests about this stuff. rolling stone and journalists just say we re journalists and can just put it out. yeah, it s really unfortunate because even if you re, quote unquote, a journalist, don t you have to have some integrity when you write something? at the end of the day jackie is telling the truth or not is left to be seen. but does jackie herself have a cause of action against rolling stone for the printed retraction insin waiting that she wasn t telling the truth? she may be able to go after rolling stone for their negligence. katie, i mean i don t want to do to rolling stone like uva did to the entire greek system. when we re talking about rolling stone we re really talking about the writer and her editors. anybody who is on the chain of command. there are probably a lot of really good reporters that are contributing reporters who aren t this but that s another problem too, ted, is they have now poisoned they have poisoned the well a little bit. they have. and the sad commentary is, as you said earlier in your series, rape is something that is taken should be taken, especially on college campus, very seriously. but when you have the inconsistencies here and greta, the big problem we have with this whole story is that rolling stone is putting out bits and pieces and we really don t know what are the real actual inconsistencies if any. and now we have the stigma, katie, where this woman comes forward apparently quite a time afterwards and now you ve got the problem some women will fear sort of the rolling stone stigma, the noise, the publicity and it s a very private moment of a very public crime. yeah, it s two years after the fact. there s a reason behind why she didn t come forward. again, we are not sure if her story is true or false. at the end of the day you cannot discount the fact that she waited to come forward. she may have a rationale behind doing so but there s a stigma associated with affiliating yourself with a journal or a magazine with rolling stone and putting your story out there. she put her story out there and everyone in the world knows what happened to her. rape is a horrible crime and being falsely accused of rape is a horrible crime too. it certainly doesn t help if the media isn t trying to at least track down the facts and compare and contrast and try to figure out what s right and what s not. anyway, katie and ted, thank you both. well, it s no secret. people in the media have bias. sure, they claim to be pure and free of bias but we all know better. it can poison work and that s bad. really bad. our next guest is warning about the dangers of narrative journalism. what does he mean by that? jim gar gerity joins us. this is a media drum beat constantly talking about a very simple black and white story line. there s a hero, there s a villain, there s a victim. and you get this beat into your head story after story and there s not much consideration consideration of any alternate interpretation of events. i think the events of rolling stone and in ferguson. people on our air say it s wrong michael brown had his arms up. 16 people apparently testified in the grand jury that he did. so it goes both ways. people are so loose with the facts. it goes both ways. at least it s incumbent for journalists to try to get it right. try to investigate. challenge what s out there. to those reporters who are constantly in this drum beat, a very simple story of a mean bad white cop and this gentle giant at the wrong place at the wrong time. no, he wasn t a gentle giant. that is so true. they downplayed that part. but he didn t deserve to die for that crime. see, juries can t tune out part of the story. they can t stop paying attention when it gets boring or if they do they get in trouble. they get all the facts. they get all the facts that the prosecutor presents. in this case it was enough to get them to decide we don t think a crime was committed here. you can agree with that or not agree with that. clearly that came to the community as a stunning shock. it was unthinkable the grand jury would not indict and that s how you furious, angry reaction. you know, i support the grand jury decision because i ve been around the block long enough. even when they were decided against me. i will say the eric garner is different. that s the one case where the whole event is caught on videotape. michael brown, we don t have all the pieces that the grand jury did. the eric garner is a unique case because we actually saw it. i think that s precisely the point. people feel very differently when they see it themselves. both these cases go back to trayvon martin. unfortunately the media takes sides and doesn t look at the facts. and i think it creates this expectation that will never be met. george zimmerman is this terrible guy. if the jury didn t get him, eventually the department of justice will. nice talking to you, jim. right now a large group of protesters outside the barclay center in brooklyn, new york. they are protesting against last week s grand jury decision not to indict a police officer in the eric garner choke hold case and are taking their protest to brooklyn. that s because that s where prince william and kate are heading tonight. they re going to attend a game between the brooklyn nets and the cleveland cavaliers. let s turn the corner. right now u.s. embassies and military bases overseas are on high alert. we ll tell you why. that s next. plus breaking news tonight. a fiery inferno as a private jet 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against u.s. embassies and western personnel in the middle east. katherine joins us tonight. what is this report? this report is about 6,000 pages long, though all the public will be able to see is a declassified executive summary that s about 500 pages and it was finished in the summer but there s a lengthy negotiation between the cia and the senate committee over the redakzs. and what we expect is this will finally be released tomorrow. so who s objecting? does president obama want it out or not out? the administration wants it out but they re sending mixed messages. on friday the secretary of state, john kerry, appealed to dianne feinstein to consider the timing of the release because what he sees as the backlash against u.s. interest overseas. i would add that the state department and the defense department have issued warnings to personnel overseas that there could be violence as a result. what s the authority to keep when you say redacted, the things of national security has been marked out. so what s the justification by anyone in the cia to keep it under wraps? the issue of the redactions has the senate proposed using pseudonyms for the different officers but the cia argued if you looked at the names and could see some patterns you could work out who these individuals were. this became such a contentious issue that the current cia director, i understand, threatened to resign unless it was resolved to his satisfaction. i think for the listeners, the bottom line is that this is said to be by democrats the definitive report on the cia program. a program they say never produced useful information and a program they say the cia misled the administration, which is roundly refuted by those who were in the agency. well, they could do better redactions maybe. catherine, thank you. joining us, steven dnow obviously there are concerns about american operatives overseas and relationships with some of our allies, but the bigger thing, i think, is domestically, politically, we know basically what happened. the united states waterboarded three prisoners in the global war on terror and the public knows this. they have digested this information. they have processed this information. and the kicker to the story, of course, is the president put a stop to it when he took office in january, 2009. so what s the fuss? one other part is anyone who supposedly had torture enhanced interrogation, whatever code word we re using for it, has been released, the only people who don t know about this are some americans who might be watching tonight. well, that might be so. but there s concern here about whether or not the administration, as catherine pointed out, actually was ambivalent about the release of it or the timing of it, the contents of it. senator dianne feinstein, who is about to give up her chairmanship when the democrats lose the majority of control in the senate of the intelligence committee is not known as a partisan person who plays political games. but this is being released because the democrats are about to lose power and if republicans were in charge of the chairmanship of that committee it would not be released ever. so it is seen as a last-minute push by democrats to put their stamp on it. it is obviously seen by our defense department and our secretary of state as potentially dangerous overseas. obviously there s never really if you re arguing that this has to be out, there probably is never a good time. steven, if the cia is upset with the level of redactions that you can piece it together and figure out who it might be, why don t they just do a better job at redacting and then that solves the problem. do a better job, give the american people instead of 500 pages, give them 400. i imagine if you were to take all the time in the world, you could eventually come to an agreement on that. this report has become so much more than just the activity of the cia. remember at some point you had chairman feinstein going on the senate floor accusing the cia of snooping on the senate computers. didn t that happen? well, they apologized for activity. it wasn t a false accusation, the cia was snooping that s bad. that s the step it had taken that s against the law actually. that s domestic spying. there s an investigation going on into that. that s the significance this report has taken on and how much the cia is worried about it. i m a reporter. i want to see something the cia is that worried about. i think we re about to enter a long and fruitless debate about all of this. with us? i hope that s not what you re referring to. we ve already seen dick cheney come out and say, no, they were authorized. there will be this long debate on whether we actually got any actionable intelligence from these extreme techniques. you know what ends the debate? when the truth is laid on the table so we can stop imagining what everybody is thinking or accusing. you know, that would be very helpful, minus the redactions. but the truth is basically known here. but you know what, i don t trust when someone says basically known. i want to see it myself. i don t want to be a rolling stone magazine on this and accept what everybody tells me. i d like to see it myself. i agree with that, except that are we ever really going to be convinced that we actually got actionable intelligence out of this? no, we re not going to be convinced but we ll be a lot farther ahead if we could more information to fact check, assuming it s not inconsistent with national security. but if the policies are no longer in place, it doesn t even matter at this point. unless they can tell me otherwise, i think transparency is important. if there s a good national security reason, i m all for it. up next, brace yourselves. tomorrow jonathan gruber, the obamacare architect who called all americans stupid will have to answer questions under oath to house republicans. who s the stupid one? all of us or the guy who has to answer questions 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right? it s a terrible policy. the only way we could take it on was first by mislabeling it, calling the attacks on insurance plans rather than attacks on people. what we did in that room was talk about how could we make this work? obama is like, well, look, i can t just do this. it s not going to happen politically. ted kennedy and they figure a way to rip off the feds. it s a very clever exploitation of the lack of economic understanding of the american voters. transparency is a huge political advantage. basically called the stupidity of the american voter or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical to get the thing to pass. tomorrow jonathan gruber goes before the house committee. a.b., it just doesn t get more fascinating than this one, i don t think. i know, it s interesting. in the years between 2012 and now, he had a lot of fun talking about this behind closed doors. and got a lot of money. he must have. and now he s been in trouble with the contract he had with the state of vermont and a recent e-mail turned up where he said he gave one interview apologizing for it but since then he s been laying low because he doesn t want to fan the flames of the haters, so it s really interesting what his interpretation of the damage is. it will be interesting to see if he actually doubles down and makes it worse. steven? i can t wait to see if he s at honest in tomorrow s hearing as he was in those you know, i don t think he said anything that those who followed the issue didn t already know. you knew that they gamed the budget rules. you knew that they jammed this through. but he s an insider, that s the difference. this is so bad politically for the obama administration that they re requesting that the head of the center for medicare and medicaid services not be on the same panel with him just to literally put physical distance between him and the obama administration. byron, why is he showing up? or is he going to show up? he s been a very talkative guy in the past. this would be a real good time to stop. remember, he s put his foot in his mouth on two separate subjects. one is the american people are too stupid to know we raised their taxes. the other is what he said about exchanges, which is the subject of this big lawsuit going to the supreme court. they re going to have to ask him about both of those. i think on the one hand, the americans are stupid part will just is basically just going to be a political argument. they re going to beat him up over it but they will be asking, you know, what other people in the administration shared your opinion about this. did you discuss these ruses with other lawmakers, people in the administration. but then the other thing is about the exchanges. did you really intend that if a state didn t form an exchange and it couldn t its residents i wouldn t ask that because he s locked in. i d show the video and say is that you? yeah, that s me. i wouldn t give him a chance to back out of it. you know, kathleen sebelius and leader pelosi act like they don t know him. so i d start grilling him on how well do you know them? do they say hi, jonathan. $400,000 for his role in constructing this program. i m a little upset he and kathleen sebelius didn t have more meeting time actually. it s incredible, isn t it? i can t wait. if this were up against the packer game tonight, this would be a really tough call for me. a really tough call. you know, maybe he ll do a great job. i just can t imagine how with those videos. whatever he says ends up landing either the program or himself in more trouble. he s going to be a humble guy. he s not going to be the guy you saw. how do you humble yourself out of that? i didn t mean they were stupid, they re just not as smart as i am? you say yes, sir, no, sir, and thank you for the question. i wouldn t show up. who advised him to do that? anyway, panel, thank you. we ll all be watching tomorrow. a private jet crashes into a house in a washington, d.c., suburb. six people confirmed dead. for the latest, alexandra lehman is live at the scene in gaithersburg. alexandra. reporter: we have confirmation that six people died as a result of this tragic plane crash. we understand three of them were on board the plane. the other three, take a look, were living inside this home. you can see just how badly damaged it is after some fire and explosions that witnesses described. now, we do have some photos of the family that lived in this home. such a tragic, tragic story. we understand the mother, marie, was one of the three people who died along with her 1 1/2-month-old infant and her 3-year-old son. now, we understand that the father and 5-year-old daughter both survived. investigators believe they were not home when this crash happened. now, we also have some video of the horrific aftermath after this plane crash landed in the middle of this residential neighborhood here in gaithersburg, maryland. and what we know is that the plane was coming in for a landing here at montgomery county air park around 10:45 this morning when there was trouble. witnesses who saw the plane describe it as flying erratically from side to side, making some odd turns just before this crash happened. and after the plane came down, we understand that it damaged a total of three homes. it broke apart the wing and tail and fuselage, all went flying into these homes causing quite a bit of damage. the most extensive to the one home that we have out here live was the most damage and, again, that s where the three people who died were. the other three, again, inside that plane. now, montgomery county fire and rescue service, they were the first here on the scene after this crash happened. they have had hundreds of firefighters out here since then and also a few hours ago the ntsb arrived on scene. they held a press conference earlier this evening. what they told us is that they have recovered a black box that they sent back to headquarters in washington, d.c. they will be taking a look at that as they try to figure out exactly what happened, but it could be some time before we have any of those answers. greta. alexandra, thank you. this a fox news alert. right now a large group of protesters are gathering outside the barclays center in brooklyn, new york. they are protesting against last week s grand jury decision not to indict a police officer in the eric garner chokehold case. tonight the protesters are in brooklyn because that s where prince william and kate are heading soon. the royals are scheduled to attend an nba game at the barclays center. some ticket holders are having trouble to get inside. we ll take you back to brooklyn, as needed. and straight ahead, i don t know what is worse, the chief architect of obamacare calling all americans stupid or being sued by nuns. the little sisters of the poor. president obama has all those problems. find out what happened today inside that courtroom. that s next. for over a 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favor of the nuns but that still left the case alive down below in the tenth circuit, right? or the 11th? which circuit? the tenth circuit, that s right. the supreme court protected the little sisters from being forced by the federal government to violate their faith and paying millions of dollars in fines. at the 11th hour last year. but they have only been protected temporarily so we have to wait until the end of this case and that s why we were before the tenth circuit court of appeals today to protect the little sisters from those fines coming back. in my worst case also handled that case at the supreme court, but before it was at the supreme court, it was at the tenth circuit court of appeals. and the tenth circuit got to exactly the right result. they said, listen, the government doesn t get to tell you what your religious beliefs are, they don t get to make them up and they don t get to tell you which religious beliefs count and which ones don t. they reached the right conclusion to protect the religious family that was at issue in that case. go ahead. no, go ahead. no, i ll let you go. the issue has really been sharpened now because we re talking about the little sisters of the poor. and if the government, the federal government can say to the little sisters of the poor, we get to redefine your beliefs and tell you what beliefs are okay and what aren t, they can do that to any of us. so anyone who cares about religious liberty should care about this case. i don t know how the supreme court or the tenth circuit is going to rule, but certainly it seems like hobby lobby is one that tips in your favor but i m taking the last word on that, daniel. thank you, and we ll be watching. thank you. thank you. and straight ahead, some college students slamming their professor. they say he is forcing them to recite an anti-american pledge of allegiance. that s next. credit karma. really free credit scores. name of jesus that hates communists, a very strong political statement this professor has, completely contrary to the university s values. is this sort of a teaching tool or is he pushing it on them? there s a big difference? in talking with the professor, he said two things, he said it was an ice breaker, a silly little poem, something you would expect bart simpson to read. second he also says he s using the pledge of allegiance to teach an alternative perspective on patriotism. he makes it clear he s biased and he sees america as a racist, repressive country. he s trying to give students that history which i think is absolutely not the case. he completely ignores what makes america great. get tax one of the things i found interesting is he said america doesn t have tolerance for diversity of thought. think about that for a second. this is a country that embraces naturally everybody from ann coulter to al sharpton. we, of course, do. i take thit is not mandatory class. you have students that want to take it, or they can choose around 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