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Had already stopped the Trip Planning by that point. And when did that happen . Stopping the Trip Planning . Yeah. On may 13th. Okay. And how did you hear about that . I was called by a colleague in the the Vice President s chief of staffs office and told to stop the Trip Planning. Okay. And as i understand it, it was the assistant to the chief of staff . Thats correct. Okay. And so you didnt hear about it from general kellogg or the chief of staff or the president or the Vice President , you heard about it from mr. Shorts assistant . Thats right. And did you have any knowledge of the reasonin...

Lawyers and this custodian that everything was turned over turned out to be false. that can be viewed as obstruction of a governmental investigation. very serious crime under federal law. >> david, the consistent argument by trump has been, i declassified these in a sweeping manner before i left office. but his lawyers didn't argue that in this filing. i wonder how significant that is. >> the lawyers didn't argue that, and they said in the most recent motion that will be discussed today, that we will agree that the special master, if apointed, should have a top secret sci clearance. there's a ...

But we look to it as being generally classified. so, the espionage act absolutely has an application so far from what we've seen to the facts, obviously we have to wait and see. it is also very statutory derived in the sense that the level of harm as i said earlier, exceptionally grave for top secret information, it is written right into the executive order of which the statute applies when the courts would look at these types of determinations. but, again, we're still in somewhat of an early stage of many of these issues. >> mark, elise jordan here, i have held a top secret sci clearance in t...

>> so one of them, you may have met. it was mr. david holmes. and the other was i don't know -- i mean, i guess i could -- it's another foreign service officer, keith bean. >> we met mr. holmes last friday evening. >> i understand. >> delightful fellow. >> and you said when you returned to the united states, you papered it up, given -- you know, with sci clearance, wherever a foreign government makes an overture like that, you paper it up and tell your chain of command? >> i did. but i also don't know if i fully entertained it as a legitimate officer. i was just making sure that i did the righ...

Offer was made? >> who were they? bun one of them you may have met, it was mr. david holmes. i don't know, i guess it's another foreign service officer, keith bean. >> okay. we met mr. holmes last friday evening. >> i understand. >> delightful. >> and you said when you returned to the united states, you papered it up given your -- you know, with sci clearance whenever a foreign government makes an overture like that, you paper it up and you tell your chain of command? >> i did, but i also don't know if i fully entertained it as a legitimate offer. i was just making sure that i did the right th...