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Opinion-laden news organization should be able to defend the factual basis of what it presents, even when it's strongly opinionated. fox isn't doing that here because they have already in a sense had their own news side undercut any foundation for making this credibly with a straight face. carlson doesn't care. he's interested in scoring points. he's interested particularly in getting in a back and forth with the rest of the media so that it's all vitriol and all open for debate. >> he's also interested in cashing the millions of dollars of checks. david folkenflick, thank you very much. >> yo...

Is noteworthy that that has been deployed successfully about what the networks own official legal status of what comes out of that show is. >> you know lawyers will occasionally, say that is very usual defense to have, but they needed in the case of some of these more importance programs and making more wild outrageous and untrue claims. in the case of tucker carlson, what you are not hearing is the network defending him. or defend the facts. i have asked the question numerous times about this and other claims. and they have just pointed back to carlson's own claims. they have not stood by it....

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Riot? >> it was awful. he was going in there to overturn the government. >> now, i last spoke with the general back in june of 2020. it was in the wake of trump's ugly response to the george floyd protest. and i just thought as a leader and, obviously, african-american, this would resonate. i called him to book him on the show. but in saying no, he invited me into a very long conversation about the nature of purpose, specifically making things better. as he explained to me, you know, exposing lies is good, but just exposing lies, scoring points, that doesn't fix division. do you want to fix th...

Overturn the government. >> now, i last spoke with the general back in june of 2020. it was in the wake of trump's ugly response to the george floyd protest. and i just thought as a leader and, obviously, african-american, this would resonate. i called him to book him on the show. but in saying no, he invited me into a very long conversation about the nature of purpose, specifically making things better. as he explained to me, you know, exposing lies is good, but just exposing lies, scoring points, that doesn't fix division. do you want to fix the division? he was very worried that even the we...