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Continue to appeal to sort of the base, especially when it's not clear what substantively this legislation would do to solve the problems. >> look, it cuts both ways, right? if the democrats want to win the presidency in 2020, they need t flip, wisconsin, pennsylvania and virginia there are plenty of gun owners who believe in the second amendment a as i believe a former president once said. the more you press in this direction sure you might take in suburban voters to some extent, you are going to turn off a lot of rural voters who care passionately about the second amendment. donald trump won...

>> by and large, the american people, whether they're rural, like vermont, new hampshire urban like l.a. or chicago, whether they are gun owners, whether they're non-gun owners, more or less have come together around a series of policies that will make this country safer. >> and for democratic candidates gun control is a delicate issue because some gun owners are democrats. >> the second amendment doesn't say you can own any weapon you want. it never said that if you are able to do that why can't you have the money to go out and buy an f-15 or why can't you buy a bazooka. you can't. >> gun con...

Sense whatsoever to exempt certain places and that's where everyone will go. i think we ought to look at the red flag issue of not having dangerous people with guns. some states are already doing that. so there's a lot that can be done. i also think we shouldn't believe any of this is going to solve the problems immediately. there's no magic wand, i we need i think rather desperately to have the cdc and nih to conduct research and tell us how we can make america safer from guns. and we certainly are not going to repeal the second amendment, but the second amendment doesn't say you have to act ...

Mcconnell has a universal background check sitting on his desk if he wants it, the house passed it in february, so if he wants to do this, this could be done tomorrow. yes, tiffany? >> john, count me among the skeptics, i certainly don't share scott's description of mitch mcconnell that he's always seeking a bipartisan solution. that's ridiculous, it's false based on his previous actions and his actions during the obama administration. when obama put merrick garland up for the supreme court, and mitch mcconnell actually said, why would i ever consider a supreme court justice that the nra doesn...

>> but look, here is a simple proposition. that's absolutely accurate. do we want to continue it? does anybody think it made any sense that someone is able to walk into a gun store, buy an assault weapon that has multiple rounds or buy an assault weapon that has 100 rounds even though it may not -- you can't point to the fact that it in fact had stopped it before, do you want more of them on the street? do we want to do that? >> so to gun owners out there who say well, a biden administration means they will come for my guns. >> bingo, you're right if you have an assault weapon. the fact of the...