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Presidential material. he sounded like he's running. >> phil? >> i agree with what carol said. i would just point out that he's not going to have to actually make that decision for another year or year and a half. that's a long time in politics. who knows whether his company -- his business will be under investigation or what would happen there. we should keep in mind that he's 75 years old. his health is going to be a big question mark coming down the pike. >> uh-huh. i'm sticking with my conclusion. he ain't running. carol leonnig and phil rucker. thank you so much for coming back to "the su...

Officials is something that she can also do in a campaign context. >> you know, back in '88, i remember george sr., the first george bush, taking apart dan rather. that was the sparring partner. that was setting him up for take down mike dukakis in the fall, and it worked. >> i think what we're seeing here is laziness on the part of the biden campaign. there is absolutely to reason he should be -- kamala harris was jab, left, right. he should have expected that. he should have known that in the first debate. thing are a lot of people in biden world that are under the arrogant presumption that ...

Attorney general barr, with some of the other trump cabinet officials is something that she can also do in a campaign context. >> you know, back in '88, i remember george sr., the first george bush taking apart dan rather. that was the sparring partner. that was setting him up for take down mike dukakis in the fall, and it worked. >> i think what we're seeing here is laziness on the part of the biden campaign. there is guilty no reason he should have been -- kamala harris was shooting jab, left, right. he should have expected that. he should have known that in the first debate. thing are a lot...

I'm not saying that they don't. politics is a different business. i have respect for what they all do, but it's a different world. >> he ain't running, but i'm telling you, if he throws his support behind somebody, it is an enormous boost to them. jon: yeah, it will be a fascinating hour to watch. objectified and hour and a few minutes from now. harvey levin, thank you very much. >> good talking to you, jon. jon: well nasa makes history sending a spacecraft where none has gone before, straight to the center of our solar system. we will tell you about that, next.

There must be some reason to explain this. >> what republicans generally argue is the governments, you know, going back to certainly bush years and going back to reagan has grown. and so you have a new breed of -- which is really rather old school thinking of let's control the growth and size in spending of the federal government. all the things you just listed, i guess my question would be why can't we as a nation have an honest discussion about the value and worth and the expense of those programs. and maybe it's not a 40% cut. maybe it's a 10% cut. >> if romney is proposing the cuts, should...