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Don't put it in with everything else, and you know, all the wise people in washington and the pundits saying, well, we've got to fix these entitlements, because they always mean social security and medicare. >> fascinating stuff. if the debate happens in those terms, i don't know that we're going to end up in a different place, but it would be a much more sensible debate. >> we will end up in a different place, because the public overwhelmingly says -- if you poll, should we fix entitlements or should we reform the entitlement system, people will say, yes. if you say, should we cut social secu...

Generational warfare. but how are we going to do this? let's have the debate about social security itself. don't put it in with everything else, and you know, all the wise people in washington and the pundits saying, well, we've got to fix these entitlements, because they always mean social security and medicare. >> fascinating stuff. if the debate happens in those terms, i don't know that we're going to end up in a different place, but it would be a much more sensible debate. >> we will end up in a different place, because the public overwhelmingly says -- if you poll, should we fix entitleme...

But how are we going to do this? let's have the debate about social security itself. don't put it in with everything else, and you know, all the wise people in washington and the pundits saying, well, we've got to fix these entitlements, because they always mean social security and medicare. >> fascinating stuff. if the debate happens in those terms, i don't know that we're going to end up in a different place, but it would be a much more sensible debate. >> we will end up in a different place, because the public overwhelmingly says -- if you poll, should we fix entitlements or should we refor...

Wanted to shift medicare in to something that looks more like a voucher program. the starkly disagreeing with him on that point and i assume one thing to discuss and certainly tell you that medicare was a topic of conversation last night when president obama met with some of those republican lawmakers and in fact at least one lawmaker who attended that dinner said that he hadn't been completely aware of the president's position in terms of reforming medicare and openness to put things on the table before the dinner last night and why both sides are saying the conversations are important. >> ma...

Paul ryan budget? >> that's right, they have not tried to translate any of the changes, the very controversial changes that paul ryan put forward to shift medicare from what it has been, fee for services benefit structure to a premium support or voucher like program, moving medicaid from a partnership from the state and local states from a block branch. he said the senate didn't passed theirs and we never had reconciliation and 50 vote simple majority protection in the senate, why go forward? that was always true, republicans knew that from the beginning, the question i ask, why go through the...