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weapon. two home defense weapons, a shotgun and a .38 revolver. listening to the of witness you were talking to earlier, senator john cornyn said that the barrel was shortened. a standard shotgun barrel is anywhere between 18, 20, 22 inches long. you're not allowed to have one with less than an 18-inch barrel or 2 in6 inches in total length. the maximum rounds may have been four, five, six rounds. he would have had to reload. we don't know if this was buckshot or bird shot or a deadly shrug round. and the five or six rounds he would have had with the .38. enough damage in that time before the police were able to interdict him to kill ten people, unfortunately. >> school of 1,400. imagine if he had something that would have allowed him to be more productive. now, there's this other aspect. charles ramsey, let me bring you in.
then he says he heard threats. the two sides in court telling very different storied about -- stories about what happened. >> they threatened michael dunn. you're dead, this is going down now. with a shotgun barrel sticking out of the window or a lead pipe. whatever it was, it's a deadly weapon. >> he was cussing, no doubt. he raised his voice. but he never threatened the defendant. >> reporter: dunn tolt investigators he saw a weapon pointed at him. >> we have shots fired in the parking lot. the person firing has left. >> reporter: police say they never found a gun in the teen's red dodge durango. >> only thing he had on his person was a cell phone and a
and my window's up. i can't hear anything he's saying. but there's a lot of [ mute ] him and [ mute ] that. and [ mute ] that. and then the music comes back on. >> reporter: two sides in court today telling very different stories about what happened on november 23rd, 2012. >> they'll tell you about the interaction between jordan davis and the defendant, that jordan davis was upset. he was cussing. no doubt. he raised his voice. but he never threatened the defendant. he disrespected. >> jordan davis threatened michael dunn. you're dead [ mute ]. this is going down now. with a shotgun barrel sticking out of the window or a lead
he was cussing, no doubt. he raised his voice. but he never threatened the defendant. he -- you're dead [ bleep ]. this is going down now. with a shotgun barrel sticking out of the window or a lead pipe, whatever it was was a deadly weapon -- >> reporter: dunn told investigators he saw a weapon point eed him, feared for his safety, and fired. >> the person firing has left. >> reporter: police say they never found a gun in the teens' durango. at the crux of the case, why didn't dunn just drive off? >> he just had somebody threaten his life, display a weapon, try to exit a vehicle and say this [ bleep ] is going down now [ bleep ]. and for the first time in his life, he has to use a firearm to
>> some emotional testimony for the jury today. meantime, the cases on both sides are starting to take shape. the defense claimed jordan davis, who was 17 years old, had a gun. but the prosecution points out that a gun was never found. >> jordan davis threatened michael dunn with a shotgun barrel sticking out of the window or a lead pipe. whatever it was that is a deadly weapon. jordan davis, the only thing he had on his person was a cell phone and a pocket knife. and both of those things were in his pockets when he was shot and killed. >> a teenager is dead. an older manson trial. at the heart of this case is the question we've heard too many times before. was it self-defense or was it murder?
this piece illustrated that michael dun said and this may be a bad piece for him, he saw either the barrel of a shotgun or a stick. there is no mention of seeing a pocket knife. then of course it begs the question, if it's either a shotgun barrel or a stick, how does that put you in reasonable fear and justify the use of deadly force? what will be michael dunn's undoing is the consciousness of guilt he displayed by leaving the scene, not calling authorities and returning to his hotel. >> how do you explain that behavior post shooting? >> you got to spin it some way and the only way they are trying to play it is he felt unsafe. he wanted to take care of his dog and concerned about his girlfriend. in the panic of the moment were weighing on his mind. that's a bad piece of evidence. >> thank you both.