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Slavery and 350,000 slave owners. but he had to take his time. lincoln knew he would have no country to govern. the union was not ready to fight for slavery only. >> neil: wasn't lincoln pragmatic? >> explain that to everybody else. douglas wrote his biography seven years after escaping slave accessory. he would update it, update it. he brought us to the moments when they met. it wipes out the opinion portion of the story. >> neil: you know, you never get into this. you're focused on the time period. but lincoln would be a president and also had to deal and wanted to deal with an up and coming...

That circle of stars is something that is considered offensive. it's unbelievable. >> to your point, colin kaepernick is saying takes us back to a time when america had slave accessory. it's a reminder of that. so therefore, it's offensive. it's a part of our culture. it's a part of our legacy. i think that the great thing about america is, that we overcame that. >> yeah, listen, america is not perfect. the ideal of america is that perfect, that you can have -- >> charles: we always seem to be working towards the perfect union. >> yeah. towards something that much greater and better. when you ...