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Anti-slavery party. it was the democrats of the south who wanted to preserve slavery. and who opposed republican reconstruction legislation. it may sound a little disorienting but basically the republicans were the liberals. while democrats were the staunch conservatives who wanted to remain slave holders forever. as you can imagine, once the civil war was over in the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments gave black men the right to vote, at least on paper, black voters preferred and importantly voted essentially unanimously for the republican party. but over time, the party's flipped idealogies. the...

You had this group of landowners, the slave holders, the plantation holders. and they just really wanted to hold on to their slaves. and they knew that they were being challenged by the growing north and by the growing wave of abolitionists. their challenge was that the average southerner, who tended to be white, working class southerners did not necessarily want to separate. they had no gain, they had no incentive to want to fight a war. and they would be the ones on the battlefield, losing their lives. and so, the plantation owners spent years and years and years trying to convince the white...

To answer your first question, or to go further with it, one of the interesting things about marjorie taylor greene is that i actually think that she would like a national divorce. i do not think that she is making this up or playing to a base. this would be her ideal outcome. she truly believes that america should continue to be run by white americans, by christian americans, and the republican party can't get that at the national level. so the only way that she can get her ultimate goal is if in fact the red states separate. if you look back into the 1850s, you had this group of landowners, ...

Republican party is no longer capable of policing itself? >> it is important to understand the underlying conflict here, the distinction between conservatives and the radical right. basically, across time and space and liberal democracies, there is a consistent element of the population and intellectual vanguard that believes very firmly in the idea of equality of democracy is a mistake. everyone should have an equal say in government. certain groups should not be more represented than others. that strikes them as a profound rejection of what politics should be. we have this throughout the uni...

[inaudible] >> we have a supreme court right now, which is getting voting rights, abortion rights, minority rights. the ability of the government to restrict gun violence or stop climate change. is this illegitimate supreme court in your view, and is a time for supreme court reform, expansion, even? >> again, he got to keep in mind, i come from the people where the first wave of supreme court justices from 1780's up until 18 60s, a large numbers of them were slave holders. it's hard to ask me a question about whether it's a legitimate court, when it's been -- slave holders for the first 75 to ...