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>> yeah. i think it's the wrong decision. now, i think if you were to ask them their views, they would say, we are defending the office of the presidency and not donald trump per se, and it's important that we protect this right of the president to say whatever it is he needs to say in the scope of his duties. but the reason this fails, i think, is the reasons that were stated by the trial judge in this case when he rejected this position this justice department took in the court below. this idea of scope of employment, the typical case is a letter carrier, mail carrier is involved in an accid...

Prosecute them. ever hear that? or i'm being sued because i'm a -- i'm being sued by a woman. represent me. personally represent me in the state of new york on not allowing my tax returns. what is that about? what is that about? >> yeah, what was that all about? that was candidate joe biden last fall criticizing president trump for turning the u.s. department of justice, as he put it, into his own personal law firm, including the justice department telling the court, telling the federal court that trump was engaged in his official duties as president of the united states. what he said about a ...

Power and its massive resources, to clean house and clean up and find the depths of the bad behavior and misconduct by officials at that agency. after the previous president really did use federal law enforcement, he used the justice department to lawlessly go after his enemies and reward his friends. under donald trump, the u.s. justice department was corrupted in multiple cases. trump didn't just want to do that, he didn't just express a desire to do it. under bill barr he did it because there were justice department officials who did it, who went along, who took the calls, who took the inst...

Could you look at yourself every day knowing that's how you got your job? he just takes an electric razor to the corner saying, i don't want to look at myself. he had remembered, right, what happened to merrick garland mt --. he decided he wouldn't let that be the last of merrick garland's career, and merrick garland was confirmed to the attorney general of the united states. he was confirmed fairly easily. it turned out republicans didn't really have any substantive objections to him at all. there is a sane sort of justice to that seeing judge julien neals being confirmed today. not forgettin...

Trump did here, is not the official act of an american president. a federal judge last fall agreed, but late last night the justice department, under the biden administration, the justice department led by merrick garland said they would appeal that judge's ruling and try to continue with the trump justice department's case that trump cannot be held liable for those allegedly defamatory statements that he made. joining us now is barbara mcquade, former justice department official. thank you for being here. >> good to be back. >> did i frame that in the right way? >> yes, i think you did. merri...