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my opinion, hence the reason the market was up a bit today. i've been saying since january that the market is going to have trouble and continued volatility going into the november election and i stick with that point. i believe that the banks have severe problems lending to small businesses is only going to continue to be a problem and they're going to need to look to other ways, the atm feeds increased or quarterly statements in order to keep solvent. >> i don't know, s & p downgraded the banks six months ago, this is more or less a downgrade on the entire financial industry, given...

corporations do what they do best. and that's make money and create jobs and plus, brenda, they don't even have the money for another stimulus. look at in five years, our debt has gone from 5 trillion to 10 trillion and how can you be talking about a stimulus and think about short-term. so far this year, since the budget season started, we have spent 1.5 trillion, and took in 869 billion. oh, my gosh, we're spending twice the amount that we're taking in, how can they even be thinking about talking about more stimulus and we don't need it. i think it'd be a huge mistake and do nothing...

the economy starting to add jobs again, as stimulus dries up. is more spending the answer? >> no, absolutely not. i mean, i think the reason why we're finally seeing some positive job growth is we don't have the stimulus, so, the government needs to sort of get out of the way and let corporations do what they do best. and that's make money and create jobs and plus, brenda, they don't even have the money for another stimulus. look at in five years, our debt has gone from 5 trillion to 10 trillion and how can you be talking about a stimulus and think about short-term. so far this year,...

>> absolutely, brenda, i'm surprised all 50 states haven't done this, because the facts bear out. let's look at just some of the united states when you compare right to work states to nonright to work states. they have higher gdp growth, higher wage growth. higher pay, higher productivity and higher growth. and more of the population covered by insurance. you have to scratch your head brenda, and say why isn't this the rule in every state in the country. >> brenda: david, you don't agree with that why? >> well, if you look at other facts, that being states that are right to work, lik...

>> absolutely, brenda, i'm surprised all 50 states haven't done this, because the facts bear out. let's look at just some of the united states when you compare right to work states to nonright to work states. they have higher gdp growth, higher wage growth. higher pay, higher productivity and higher growth. and more of the population covered by insurance. you have to scratch your head brenda, and say why isn't this the rule in every state in the country. >> brenda: david, you don't agree with that why? >> well, if you look at other facts, that being states that are right to work, lik...