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Loyalty to the former president, saying in another interview with breitbart that he believes, quote, trump is stronger today than he was in 2016, and accusing the media of taking those comments out of context. of course, mccarthy as a fragile majority in the house. he won his post as the house speaker after a bruising 15 rounds of vote, in part by agreeing to his snap vote to oust him at anytime. with us now for perspective on this is colorado republican can't block. congressman, thank you for joining us. today i wonder what you made of what speaker mccarthy said there about whether or not tru...

Speaker's gavel left him with no mandate and no ability to govern. i think there is going to be backlash down the line. progressives are going to hold a grudge against biden, and some freedom caucus members might try to call a snap vote for mccarthy, coming for his job. but i think both biden and mccarthy might actually emerge stronger, not weaker from this fight because they can both claim a win. that might -- might being the operative term -- give them more resolve to push back on the ideological extremes going forward. you know, a lot of the power, i think, of the partisan fringes comes fro...

Freedom caucus members might try to call a snap vote against mccarthy coming for his job. but i think both may emerge stronger not weaker from the fight because they can both claim a win. that might be, might being the operative term, but give them more to push back on the ideological extremes going forward. a lot of power of the partisan fringes comes from the perception they can single handlely torpedo these bills. the fact they didn't i think proves to them essentially that they don't always have to be strong armed by their party. >> do you foresee lawmakers having a serious debate about re...

Possible. the other problem for mccarthy, wolf, is any one member can call for a vote, a snap vote to get rid of him as the speaker. so his hands are fairly tied. as bad as phil said there's been so many of these rough negotiations over the last 12 years about the debt ceiling, i can't remember one that was like this. >> yeah, i can't either. david, politicians seem to be playing what a lot of people think is a game of chicken right now with the national debt. but if if they don't figure this out and figure it out quickly is the real loser going to be the american public? >> absolutely. one pa...

Tonight. mccarthy had to agree, for example, to a rule that allows anyone number of congress to call for a vote that could oust him as speaker. that once received a lot of attention because it sounds very dramatic, right? snap vote at any moment to replace him. honestly, it could end up being very dramatic, hard-line republicans decide they are lucky in chaos and want to use that new rule to get them some more chaos because it makes them, i don't know, entertained. honestly, though, i think this one is likely to be more of a paper tied route than a real threat. i say that because congress has ...