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Trump Immunity Appeal

have a trial at all, and then hopefully get elected and then make the case go away and try to pardon himself, et cetera. i think there's also this question, if you look at the brief, about speed and get it to go quicker. i think the d.c. circuit is going to do that. i agree that the decision is probably written already. >> there was a really important line, every oral argument ends essentially with a judge asking what do you want us to do? what your prayer for relief. trump's attorney says either allow immunity or allow us the time to appeal higher. in other words, chief justice roberts, get your pen ready. >> we know that's exactly what the trump legal team has wanted. then it becomes the question of how quickly do they move. it's a question of timing, everything we have been talking about. >> so much more to get tod toda and talk about. this was a hugely significant day in our courts. >> thank you for joining us for a wild three hours. so glad to have laura to break down the legalesese.

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against him, and they believe he no longer should be a sitting u.s. senator, but ultimately that is a decision that is up to senator bob menendez, and he is make it clear this morning that nothing in this superseding indictment is changing his belief that he belongs in the united states senate. >> we will see how the senate colleagues continue to respond to that. lauren fox on capitol hill, thank you for that. for the rest of you, coming up, former president trump is expected to be determined once the votes are cast to be the 2024 republican president nominee, but there are major questions about the political implications of the argument that we heard this morning. his push for presidential immunity we will discuss with our experts right after a quick break.

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official acts and what were those moments? >> yeah. well, yeah, absolutely. he, the idea that for example when judge pan was asking about this idea that he has to be impeach and he has to be convicted, and trump was taking furious notes during that part of it, and again, when pearce was making the point that in the future there is going to be similar prosecutions, trump was furiously making notes and he leaned over to talk to his lawyer when for example judge henderson raised the idea that, you know, the take care clause that you were just discussing a few moments ago where the idea that the former president when he took office obviously he took an oath to take care and to make

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laura laura, what is being said here, that presidents could very much be prosecuted, but today, they were saying they could not unless they were convicted by the senate. >> clearly, trump's arguments in other forums are coming back to haunt him. and the judges are listening to each other, right. they are seeing what is happening in other cases or forums, and you cannot be inconsistent and disingenuous when you are speaking to the court. so what is excellent and they did a good job of is narrowing issues. there were several issues that were outstanding going into the oral argument, and number one, are the presidents immune from criminal prosecution generally, number one. number two, could double e jeopardy apply, because he was impeached by the house and

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that leads to an attack on the u.s. capitol is consistent with uphold office of president or protecting and defending the u.s. constitution, and it is directly assaulting it. so the argument that trump's lawyers were trying to make of the pandora's box and using examples of president bush and president obama to come under scrutiny they took while actions of war and peace do not track with this unprecedented action of president trump. especially given that trump's own lawyers as judge pan pointed out in the first impeachment and republican senators in the second impeachment pointed out that someone does not have to be convicted on their actions later. it does not hold water, and trump is just threats and threats of retributions to further degrade the promise to faithfully execute the office of president. >> and michael, what are you

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because it caught my interest, when evan said that trump was passing notes to the attorney, and evan, a few moments here when the judges had to repeatedly follow up on the questions and rephrase them for trump's attorneys and what were their facial expressions and body language during this? >> well, certainly, i think that they were trying to hue very close to the arguments and make sure they were not straying very far from the arguments and one of the things that the government points out is that trump and the legal team have evolved in some of the arguments, and so certainly, i think that for mr. sauer as soon as he hit the podium, he started to getting questions from judge childs and judge henderson, and so he didn't even have a minute, really to do his presentation, and it is always very fascinating to watch the lawyers who come to prepare for days and days and weeks, right, to do

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of the arguments made by trump's attorney john sauer over whether he does have presidential immunity and the point to which he made and articulated over the back and forth with the judges that former president cannot be prosecuted unless they have been impeached and convicted by the senate. >> look, i think that argument in particular has been blown out of the water by the arguments made by president trump's own attorneys in the first impeachment, and republican senators in the second impeachment who said that criminal prosecution has been in the courts with the proper arena to try the president in the specific circumstance, and what you will hear president trump say in a press conference in waiting is that it will be consistent with what he has argued in previous days he was searching for election fraud, and this is what is with the

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