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don't want to go there. others clearly do. but mccarthy made the point the other day that if they pursue the inquiry, they can gain access to all kinds of bank records and paperwork and information. that's really where you have to go for this investigation, do you not? >> i agree with that, bill. what speaker mccarthy is trying to do is crystallize an issue which is that the white house and the biden administration and the agencies connected to the administration are withholding information from congress. and what he needs to do in terms of the inquiry, which doesn't obligate them to do anything other than continue their investigation, is stand on the principle that the executive branch can't withhold this information from congress. that ought to be something that every republican can agree with, even if they don't want to go down the impeachment road, which is a long way from now.

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questions. >> reporter: the other important point here is to underscore what has been the primary focus of the white house, making it clear their contention or statement, there is a fire wall between the president and the justice department, he has not been interfering in any way to influence the prosecution. obviously in this case, of his son, but certainly also of his political opponents as republicans have argued is, in fact, the case. >> mike memoli, appreciate your reporting. thank you. we are also following new developments in the special counsel election interference probe into donald trump. the three sources who tell nbc news that they were interviewed by smith's office and what that signals about a potential shift in the special counsel's focus. plus, the federal reserve has raised rates again. what that may mean for your wallet. and we're live on capitol hill with reaction to the hunter biden hearing. what speaker mccarthy had to say about it. we're back in 60 seconds. y had y about it we're back in 60 seconds

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now it's an opportunity for when david weiss said he wanted to prosecute on other jurisdictions on other items, you can see that. you watch when the irs spoke that the statute of limitations running out on the most serious tax provisions with the biden family. during that talk, they said the biden family is willing to waive that. so i'd like to see the biden family waive and not worry about the statute of limitations and look at everything, just like every other american would have to do. there shouldn't be two justice systems in america. >> house speaker kevin mccarthy and his conference have long called the agreement offered to hunter biden a sweetheart deal, but now that that has collapsed, some are celebrating, others are getting to work. let's go to capitol hill and nbc's ali vitali. has this lit a new fire under republicans? >> reporter: look, you heard that familiar refrain there from speaker mccarthy, the idea of a

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best, and i know some of the folks that comprise the team. they're going to be extraordinarily effective. you don't put it in an indictment unless you can go to trial. prosecutors are careful, and in this case, they're going to be extraordinarily careful. >> chuck rosenberg, thank you as always for your expertise. i do appreciate it. and still ahead, did he make a deal with donald trump to expunge his impeachments, what speaker mccarthy told us about it. the family of the soldier who darted across -- and sheldon whitehouse joins me live. he advanced a bill on supreme court ethics. will it pass. we are back in 60 seconds. 0 sec.

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interview on cnbc mccarthy rushed to make clear his loyalty to the former president, saying in another interview with breitbart that he believes, quote, trump is stronger today than he was in 2016 and accusing the media of taking those comments out of context. of course mccarthy has a fragile majority in the house. he won his post as the house speaker after a bruising 15 rounds of votes in part by agreeing to a snap vote to oust him at any time. with us now for perspective on this is colorado republican ken buck. congressman, thank you for joining us today. i wonder what you made of what speaker mccarthy said there about whether or not trump is the strongest candidate to win in 2024. >> well, i think he is the strongest candidate right now to win, and i'll tell you why. he has run three times for president. the other candidates have not run yet for president. that gives him strength by itself. he also has a persona that he's willing to take on the tough issues. he's willing to take on the issues that a lot of

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loyalty to the former president, saying in another interview with breitbart that he believes, quote, trump is stronger today than he was in 2016, and accusing the media of taking those comments out of context. of course, mccarthy as a fragile majority in the house. he won his post as the house speaker after a bruising 15 rounds of vote, in part by agreeing to his snap vote to oust him at anytime. with us now for perspective on this is colorado republican can't block. congressman, thank you for joining us. today i wonder what you made of what speaker mccarthy said there about whether or not trump is the strongest candidate to win in 2024. >> well, i think he is the strongest candidate right now to win. and i will tell you why. he has run three times for president. the other candidates have not yet run for president. so, that gives him strength by self. he also has the persona that he's willing to take on the tough issues. he's willing to take on the issues that a lot of conservatives americans, but other americans care deeply about. now, there is another candidate,

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fits the conduct. so that's the charge they bring for and against. not something commonly deployed and is facing real legal challenges. in regard to the republican criticism, there is not an apples to apples comparison here. this is a completely different situation where you have an individual who is willing to admit they are fallible, they made a mistake, and that they want to settle this case and reach a plea deal. that's not the situation that we have with donald trump, who is fighting this tooth and nail and continues to insist he did absolutely nothing wrong and this was all above board, his conduct in relation to the mar-a-lago documents. >> so, related to that, paul, let me play more of what speaker mccarthy had to say, again, this happened a few hours ago. >> do you think it is equal and fair that a political opponent is going to be given jail time, but a presidential son, and if you compare this to other

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incredibly careful and deliberate in this process. i think they obviously have been briefing congress, ensuring folks know that everything that's going on is being done in a most careful and serious way. i think it's not beneficial to anyone for jim jordan, for anyone in congress to try and get in the middle of a serious investigation. donald trump is now gonna have to face a jury going, to have to face a court system, going to have to stand for us the serious crimes that they've likely committed. it's not good for congress to be involved in that process. i think jim jordan is also trying to politicize this. i think that right now is what is wrong with the republican party. they continue to put politics over actually governing. all the way from speaker mccarthy, all the way folks marjorie taylor greene, george santos, they are right now attacking the very serious investigation we should all be concerned about. >> donald trump faces another

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perhaps the harshest rebuke of this indictment, of the former president. he said trump quote, brought it upon himself, which i thought was notable. he was alone pretty much in that camp. when you go over to the house, those republicans, particularly all of leadership, are standing firmly in the former president's corner. that could not be more evident than when you look at what speaker mccarthy had to say. take a listen to this video that he prerecorded and posted on twitter. >> when you learn, i think jim jordan's gonna bring it out tonight, when you learned that of some of the things that he had said, and how this investigation was carried out, you will see then, that this judgment is wrong. that they treated president trump differently than they treated others. and it didn't have to be this way. this is going to disrupt this nation, it goes to the core of equal justice for all, which is not being seen today. and we are not going to stand for it. >> now he's backing up chairman jim jordan, the head of the weaponization committee. of course, this is a committee

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we'll jeopardize sources and methods. people may lose lives but what it revealed is 17 violations of law by the f.b.i. and what resulted in a felony conviction. the contrary with regard to mar-a-lago, within 48 hours f.b.i. agents, the only ones with access to photographs, top secret documents at that time, those were all over the internet and no talk about protecting sources and methods and lives being in danger. it is using a sword and shield as convenient. what speaker mccarthy is focused on here, dana, i think in backing jamie comer in this contempt proceeding is send a message, a couple of them. send a message to the f.b.i. for the next two years we're not going to let you get away with what is perceived to be a two-party system or approach to these investigations where the f.b.i. is being political. i think he is also sending a message to his both republican base and the american public at large that look, we want an

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