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Tripoli is fighting for its life. benghazi a relatively free city. and this fight between the new libya, living on hope now, and the old libya, living on terror, is a fight to the finish and the sanctions really don't apply to it. >> i was sitting there watching gadhafi's son, saif, who is the most presentable of all the thuggish sons and the most sort of westernized and the most polished, who does try to represent himself and has for years tried to represent to the world as the new libya. but he is as thuggish in the end, fouad, as the representatives of the old regime. >> i think these peopl...

This is not what this conflict is about. it's a fight -- it's a tale of two cities. tripoli is fighting for its life. ben gaz si a relatively free city. and this fight between the new libya living on hope and the old libya, sanctions don't apply to it. >> i was sitting there watching gadhafi's son, safe, who is the most presentable of all the thuggish sons and the most polished, who does try to represent himself and has for years tried to represent to the world as the new libya. but he is as thuggish in the end, fouad, as the representatives of the old regime. >> i think these people, the hous...

These sanctions really don't -- this is not what this conflict is about. it's a fight -- it's a tale of two cities, if you will. tripoli is fighting for its life. benghazi a relatively free city. and this fight between the new libya, living on hope now, and the old libya, living on terror, is a fight to the finish and the sanctions really don't apply to it. >> i was sitting there watching gadhafi's son, saif, who is the most presentable of all the thuggish sons and the most sort of westernized and the most polished, who does try to represent himself and has for years tried to represent to the ...

Expert on the middle east, professor fouad ali ahmed jama, the director of middle east studies at the johns hopkins schools of advanced international studies here in washington. fouad, how capable is moammar gadhafi of committing mass murder on his own people? >> well, let's quote moammar gadhafi himself. he said at one point, he said i am the man who built lib yeah, and i am the man who can destroy libya. this is complex, if you will, of this character. what's clear is libya is a house divided, and benghazi in the east is the free libya. it has its own flag. it has its own symbolism. it has i...

The sanctions never worked. anyone with money can break these sanctions, bust them with great ease. and one thing we know about the sanctions, to pass sanctions, if you do a round of sanctions in the security council, there you need the russians and the chinese. the only kinds of resolutions and provisions that would pass in the united nations are really mild. these sanctions ready don't -- this is not what this conflict is about. it's a fight -- it's a tale of two cities. tripoli is fighting for its life. ben gaz si a relatively free city. and this fight between the new libya living on hope a...