this is not what this conflict is about. it's a fight -- it's a tale of two cities. tripoli is fighting for its life. ben gaz si a relatively free city. and this fight between the new libya living on hope and the old libya, sanctions don't apply to it. >> i was sitting there watching gadhafi's son, safe, who is the most presentable of all the thuggish sons and the most polished, who does try to represent himself and has for years tried to represent to the world as the new libya. but he is as thuggish in the end, fouad, as the representatives of the old regime. >> i think these people, the house of gadhafi, they've crossed the rubicon. there are no more meetings in new york. they can't come to universities and be wined and dined. this is over. they are now fighting for their