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the same view there, but what i've witnessed, especially over the last couple of years is a complete change, getting rid of what i would call the loony left, where extreme socialist policies, rather than creating a wealthy britain. tell me about the courtship between the billionaire and the socialist, between you and keir starmer. i don't know whether i would call it a courtship, to be honest. my thoughts on labour historically were very negative, and what i've seen now, the more and more i've looked at labour, is a transformation. is this going to be the first time you'll have voted...

Do with tax reform. it is the revenue baseline. it is the obamacare taxes that themselves affect tax reform. here's the way the math works. if we repeal the obamacare taxes, then that is a revenue baseline we don't have to put into tax reform. if we don't repeal the obamacare taxes, it is my position that we're just going to leave the taxes over there with obamacare and reform the rest of the irs tax code. but it does make tax reform harder. it is all about the revenue baseline. nothing to do with the spending baseline. >> explain this idea of not wanting the president to work with -- >> oh, y...

Not to -- >> what? >> -- totally upset the cosmic balance here. i agree neither side is really reaching out and saying, you know, let's make a deal here. i think it's very hard. and i think the point to keep in mind is like the shutdown of '95, '96, this comes politically at a similar time. there's a new republican congress, the momentum in that congress is all from the right, and they think they want to -- i think they want to go to war on this, and it's hard to -- it's got to be hard to make a deal. >> it's interesting because when i talk to the republicans, i think they have a credible case...

That's -- we're here. because well, gold prices are climbing. it's over $1200 an ounce today. because people don't trust any of these things. that is the problem. now, look, it started with bush, and obama, just keep -- obama is putting his foot on the pedal and doing more. at least $4.4 trillion have added to the ten-year spending baseline in the last 31 months. $4.4 trillion. when bush left office in january 2009, the national debt was $10.6 trillion. here we are, 18, 20 months later. we're $5 trillion in the bush administration raising it up over eight years. the biggest increase under any ...

That's -- we're here. because well, gold prices are climbing. it's over $1200 an ounce today. because people don't trust any of these things. that is the problem. now, look, it started with bush, and obama, just keep -- obama is putting his foot on the pedal and doing more. at least $4.4 trillion have added to the ten-year spending baseline in the last 31 months. $4.4 trillion. when bush left office in january 2009, the national debt was $10.6 trillion. here we are, 18, 20 months later. we're $5 trillion in the bush administration raising it up over eight years. the biggest increase under any ...