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We heard some sound bites from senate leaders saying that they were -- felt they were pretty close to a deal. well, wait until it gets in the house and wait until the so-called tea party members of the house have to vote on it. if the spending level is anything above that $967 billion that is the sequester level spending, which appears likely it will be in the murray/ryan deal, then i think it's going to be tough to find a whole lot of tea party members who are going to be willing to support it. it's going to have to be a bipartisan deal like we saw with the continuing resolution. i'm not supe...

Congress, and obviously the low approval rating you referred to suggests that a lot aren't, but those of us who are listening who are connecting to our home states are hearing just how difficult this is for classroom teachers, for parents whose kids are sick and who are hoping for new drug treatments from the nih, or for those who defend our country who are either reserve or guardsmen. there is real pain across our country as a result of this sequester and as a result of this government shutdown. my hope is that that will motivate republicans to be willing to join democrats in finding some bal...

This is the fiscal cliff part two. this is exactly what happened to john boehner when we had the fiscal cliff at the end of last year. people make demands, and you're entitled to make all the demands you want, but at the end of the day, if you won't give them 218 votes, you've surrendered the majority and turned him into someone who's powerless. >> chris, speaking of demands, there's this conventional wisdom out there. we heard john mccain saying it, that the democrats have the republicans cornered. but there's this contrarian notion that's percolating that every time congress goes through one...

Position is. >> that's part of the failure of leadership here, i think, josh. we talked about this time and time again. the republicans have won victories. john boehner has not sold any of those victim rice to his caucus. the fact paul ryan comes in on wednesday with an op-ed and it is endorsed by "washington post," the spending level we're talking about are lower than the original paul ryan budget. yet the tea party, sense of disenfranchisement which runs deeper than any actual policy but sort of an ideological frame of mind has animated the republican caucus to the degree that john boehner i...

Possibility of just passing a clean debt ceiling and keeping the government shut. and either the possibilities in the house of representatives given the tea party caucus will depend on democratic votes. so my question to you, are you interested in either of those proposals? >> well, we'll be interested in a clean debt ceiling to get that off the table so we can continue the negotiations. but with this on the table, there is nothing to negotiate at this point. the senate, for the short-term basis came in with one spending level, the republicans came in with another spending level. when we say w...