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Bigger conspiracy. i think the only way to know is if other people who know him say something in the next couple of days. alike, he has issues, or no, this is totally of legitimate, he has talked to me about it. but if they say he has been known to spin tales. especially people like warren buffett, he should say, he has talked to me about this. if you said that was legit, i would be on firmer ground, but i believe he believes it. i believe he believes that. that's about as far as i can go. >> juan: you gave him some credibility. okay. college students walking to a class, that teaches them how ...

I think the only way to know is if other people who know him say something in the next couple of days. alike, he has issues, or no, this is totally of legitimate, he has talked to me about it. but if they say he has been known to spin tales. especially people like warren buffett, he should say, he has talked to me about this. if you said that was legit, i would be on firmer ground, but i believe he believes it. i believe he believes that. that's about as far as i can go. >> juan: you gave him some credibility. okay. college students walking to a class, that teaches them how to be an adult. you...

Than it probably is. valuable scoop, good for them for getting it but you have to take it with a serious grain of salt. this guy is a convicted felon. he is a known ponzi schemer, in jail for 150 year, what else does he have to do but sort of spin tales? >> here's the question, we know the s.e.c. failed. they had people investigating him and should have found what was obvious. one simple request for day-to-day trading records which he could not have jimmied up would have been evidence this was a paper scheme. put yourself in the place of the bank. what due diligence would a bank have done or s...