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Administration, even this administration early on were not willing to put on the table. they are trying to find some way to unlock what they haven't been able to up to this point when it comes to paul whelan. i think one of the things you here from u.s. officials is even though they reject the charges outright paul whelan has, the fact he has been tried for espionage has raised the stakes about what the russians want in return. that is why this ex-fsb official continues to come up. whether or not u.s. officials can find what the russians view as something equal is an open question in part beca...

One thing that has been clear through the process is they are willing to put things on the table that past administrations, even this administration earlier on in president biden's term were not necessarily willing to put on the table, trying to find some way to unlock what they haven't been able to up to this point when it comes to paul whelan. i think one of the things you hear from u.s. officials is even though they reject the charges outright and paul whelan has as well the fact that he has been tried for espionage has raised the stakes to some degree about what the russians want in return...

Argument from the get-go. >> what do you make of the strategy to try to appoint a special master? we know that the doj filter team could actually already be done with reviewing any of the material already. is it a stalling tactic? >> you know, it certainly seems to be that way because, you know, donald trump is known to use stall tactics when it comes to litigation. however special masters are incorporated in cases all the time. it is not that rare to have a special master involved in a case. but in this particular situation, i think the fact that they waited two weeks to request a special mas...

Ken has been talking about this special master. trump and his team filed a lawsuit to block the department of justice from, quote, further review of seized materials before that special master is appointed. special master is an outside official selected by a judge to carry out a judicial matter on the court's behalf. in that lawsuit filed in the southern district of florida, it requests a more detailed receipt for the property seized from mar-a-lago in the search on august 8th, and asked anything not in the scope of the search warrant be returned. that's what we're talk about when we say speci...

Or someone sending a message you just wait, we're on top of this. >> let's just say peter is nicer than i am. >> peter is nicer than almost anyone i know. >> we knew that already but now it's confirmed. i see someone who is really just pushing back. we all know that he's going to say that. it's a stalling tactic, quite frankly, in my mind. we know no one is above the law and it's time for him to open a wide ranging grand jury investigation as demonstrated by this entire january 6th process. look, when you don't have an open wide ranging grand jury investigation that includes all the different ...