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Question. >> reporter: and again, peculiar the way the statement was put out and certainly times of timing. sergey lavrov and antony blinken had just met. they believe that a compromise in some way, shape, or form might be possible. i'm wondering from you, having covered so much in the region and now on the ground in ukrainian, are ukrainians hopeful that there might be some kind of compromise here? >> reporter: i don't think there's a huge amount of optimism on the ground that a compromise will be found. at the same time, the foreign ministry did say that they were pleased that diplomacy has ...

Cooperate, but at the end of the day i think that it's just a stalling tactic that maybe something to just get -- legal bills. >> go ahead. >> they might be giving him too much credit, we're talking about the guy who can't tell the difference between a hotel and a landscaping service, but you know, my gut is this is just -- >> the four seasons. okay, that leads me to the obvious question. let's say they do get some testimony. can he be considered a credible witness? >> well, you know, he's obviously got some credibility issues, but if he's giving statements essentially against his interest and...

Creature of the donald trump swab and the 18 other people who refused to testify because they're afraid that they're going to tell the truth. when i was in the government if law enforcement asked you to testify or gone cruised to provide information, of course you did, but i think you are the odds swamp creatures will stick together. it's possible rudy will seriously cooperate because he's afraid of legal bills or conscience or whatever. you'll remember rudy is the guy from january 6th infamously demanding quote, trial by combat. if he is not able to negotiate with congress, you might be facin...

Volunteer cooperation with this investigation and laying out exactly why they believe she is such a critical witness. them they want to talk to her about what she observed in terms of interactions between her father and former vice president mike pence. she was a witness to the two men on the morning of january 6th. they also want to talk to her about what was going on inside the white house during the insurrection and the days after. but look. this engagement between her team and the committee, it doesn't necessarily mean that she is going to provide any substantive evidence. this could poten...

>> one final question. that is about ivanka trump. she's in discussions with the january 6th committee to appear, voluntar voluntarily, for an interview. totally unclear whether it's stalling tactic or real. how likely is it she will reveal anything substantial about what her father knew, was preparing for or did that day? >> well, i think it's hard to know what she'll reveal. she might see this as an opportunity to do some messaging for her dad. she's taken the more common approach towards this type of appearance, the imitation to speak. she's not going be flame throwing here and say i defy a...