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for today. i am symone sanders-townsend in for alicia bennett. as you can see me every weekend on my show simone, saturdays and sundays at 4 p eastern, right here on msnbc and tomorrow you can catch a lethal, she coughing, jonathan -- reverend sharpton and myself. our special coverage o the indictment of donald trump it continues at 6 pm eastern >> coming up on the second hou of eamonn. trump's indictment has force his rivals to do the one thing that hurts the most, defen donald trump, plus the other trump related legal cases with major developments as, wee including a ruling that fo...

Secrecy. and that included documents. and we have to keep in min that the investigation that he had it was really the one that ended up in attorney general letitia james's indictment well, her case against donal trump. the civil case he was looking at the increase in value when he wanted to get a loan, and the decrease whe you didn't want to pay taxes that is really what he looke at now in his book he does kind o comment, mostly negatively about the stormy daniels hus money payments so i don't know if he looked a that, if he has any informatio that he got from investigating it he cannot talk a...

Prettyhe looks sour, and glam. clearly, he was concerned. about the fact that he was forced to be in that courtroom that said, it's pretty clear that the trump lawyers do have a lot of legal challenges that they can bring here. the case that allen bragg ha brought is plausible, bu doesn't seem particularl strong it rests on a novel lega theory that the stat prosecutor can use a federal offense, a federal campaig finance violation, as an underlying crime to bump u what would otherwise be misdemeanor. we will see whether that survives motions to dismiss, o move this to federal court this is goin...

Pence to testify we are still waiting to see if mike pence appeals thi decision but how does what happen next impact the investigation and how do you assess where jack smith is taking this investigation base on him seeking this testimon from mike pence? >> well, with the return of th indictment by the stat prosecutor in manhattan, i think that that does break the ice a little bit it gets the american public, i gets their head around the concept that not only a former president, but someone who has declared he is going to run fo the presidency again is no under criminal indictment. in that sens...

Mar-a-lago documents case, the january 6th insurrection case, he can pardon himself or another republican if he i elected can pardon him he can make those cases go awa and that is done you cannot pardon a stat prosecutor this case and the other case that i anticipate to be coming soon as well as the other manhattan da investigation that is still remains open, that may or ma not be brought those are very important, he cannot pardon himself for thos matters. as your other question, is the judge going to pause this for presidential election? i have no way of answering tha question because this is...