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Normalized in that weird period of months we have just lived through. normalizing them back again. making sure people see them as arms of whatever organizations or states they are arms of. that's going to take some doing. >> well, i have to say i thought it was bold and strong what the cia director said about wikileaks. i could not agree more. they are a dangerous transgressive organization that has been in could hoots with russia. president trump's embrace of them is something which is discouraging and sad, to use his term and now that i've been in government, i really see the damage that the...

And then we have a statement department sitting over there waiting to be asked a question, maybe a translation. they're not being talked to. meanwhile the president where he meets foreign dignitaries, this is -- you thoughts. there's a lots going on. >> i could not have said it better, chris. the competence issues here are just enormous. it's unsustainable. i mean, you can't sustain state craft like this with jared kushner in charge of everything. the question of how do they coordinate with the state department, well, indeed. i mean if jared kushner is off meeting with the chinese and taking c...

We need to be engaged in diplomacy so that is very important. >> it strikes me as hard to sell diplomacy. even myself, i find it all opaque and ambiguous and frustrating and there's an entire set of euphemisms which in some sense is the stock in trade but i find it maddening. like what do you mean? part of the problem is we know what war means and war looks like and what effective diplomacy is. it seems like a more difficult thing to communicate. >> if you and i had a free and frank exchange of views, that means we nearly came to blows. >> that's right, exactly. >> will there's an entire proto...

Entire set of euphemisms which in some sense is the stock in trade but i find it maddening. like what do you mean? part of the problem is we know what war means and war looks like and what effective diplomacy is. it seems like a more difficult thing to communicate. >> if you and i had a free and frank exchange of views, that means we nearly came to blows. >> that's right, exactly. >> will there's an entire protocol for describing how you talk. that's right. it is hard to sell but it is essential. what i'm arguing is now is that's state craft, that's this very closed formalized world that is fo...

At this time they're trying to get off to a fresh start, if you will, and also to say while the candidate trump is very stormy on the campaign trail in his support of israel, the administration has somewhat moderated its tone on things like moving the u.s. embassy from tel aviv to jerusalem, which is quite controversial. that's the thing they have been largely silent about, so we'll see if they make any progress on that and some of the other issues as they face a change in state craft now. >> looking from candidate trump to president trump, it will be important to hear where the president land...