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It's called the anti-injunction act. and it says that no federal court can interfere with an ongoing state proceeding. so that when the judge finally has to rule on this outlandish claim that you cannot investigate criminality on the part of the president, his company and his cronies, the judge will have the obligation under the anti-injunction act, 28 usc 2283, to dismiss the case because it is not permissible for a federal court as a principle basically of states' rights, believe it or not, it's not permissible for a federal court to mess around with an ongoing state criminal proceeding. sim...

Texaco, the u.s. supreme court said on behalf of one company that had lost a big judgment in a state court that it couldn't run off to federal court to kind of interrupt the state proceeding. the only way to get federal review of a state judgment is to let the state proceeding run its course and then take your chances with asking the u.s. supreme court to review the result. but the most important point, even more important than the fact that they've, you know, gone to the wrong court in order to try to hoodwink the judicial system. the most important point is that they've taken this outlandish...

The federal court filing is even more extreme than that. they have taken the position that the president's company cannot be investigated, that those who may have conspired with him to commit financial and other crimes cannot be investigated, that the whole state proceeding must be stopped in its tracks. among other things, there is a federal law going all the way back to the founding, actually to 1793. it's called the anti-injunction act. and it says that no federal court can interfere with an ongoing state proceeding. so that when the judge finally has to rule on this outlandish claim you ca...

Conceivably be relevant would be the civil rights laws. the civil rights laws if the president said this lawsuit that's being brought against me by cy vance violates my first amendment in a case i argued one in the supreme court called pennzoil v texaco in 1987 the supreme court said on behalf of one company that had lost a big judgment in estate court that it couldn't run off to federal court to kind of interrupt the state proceeding. the only way to get federal review of a state judgment is to let the state proceeding run its course and then take your chances with asking the u.s. supreme cou...

If somehow he were pardoned by the president, all a state attorney general need do, whether it's in new york or whether it's in virginia, on the tax violations, they need only take this and use that to prosecute paul manafort for state violations. >> right. because it's not like he went to those lengths to evade federal taxes and then paid every last state tax. >> exactly. and in new york state you have a very strict money-lan derring statute that probably has more onerous penalties than the federal statute. and when you tie that together with this plea agreement, the cooperation agreement, it...