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Specifically. martha: stephen, when you sort of step back from all of this it appears you could interpret it that the obama administration sort of wants to have it both ways, that they're trying to please latino voters who are in favor of allowing immigrants to have sort of a softer entry to this country on the one hand, and on the other hand, they want to be able to come out and say we've deported more illegals than any prior administration. >> the secure communities is just common sense. all the security communities does is when somebody is arrested and is in jail, they check their finger pi...

Country of immigrants, right, this is a country that was built with the efforts of immigrants from all over the world. and this is -- >> martha: i'm going to jump in on you there. because stephen, this is where this conversation gets muddled. there's a difference between legal immigration, which many of the immigrants that built our country came here legally, and illegal immigration and this question of whether or not you're breaking the law when you enter the country illegally. stephen, you address that, please. >> right, of course. we're not just a nation of immigrants but we're also a natio...

bill. bill: first tell us about the survey from the hill.com. >> well, it's a picture of a grim economy and it's the first time we've seen this kind of reaction to this grim economy in a generation. remember, bill, we are used to endless gains in profit, prosperity, and that's true all the way back to the 19 # \on/zeros. now, those gains in prosperity have stopped and the headlines on the economy are universally grim. for the last three years, we've had bad news on jobs, housing, debt, on the rate of growth, declining income. it's all been grim for three years. look at the situation ...

But i will say this, my one big criticism of a republican candidate, they're not talking enough about how they would bring this decifit down and what programs they would cut, how they would fix these entitlement programs. they've been kind of mute object that -- on that issue. bill: fair point. perry is out later this week we do believe and when that happens we'll bring you on back, snok. >> that's going to be critical because he's had a bad two weeks and this is his big chance to get back in this race. don't forget, bill, texas has no income tax. that's his big advantage. i wouldn't be surpri...

us, what now, legalland? >> reporter: bill, the violence continues in downtown cairo as the protestors are clashing with police, the death toll, up to 36. this is the kind of violence that has the potential to spin out of control. they used to have the military to protect them, and the police to keep the muslims from burning down their churches. they don't have that anymore and after a church burning this weekend, they took to the streets, the christians marched down towards the plaza where they have the nile television building and that's where these clashes began, personnel carrier...