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Failed. >> let's be fair to britain's austerity experiment which i am known to disagree with. they said you should do a bit more spending now and a little less spending a year or two now. what they've talked about is really small beer. i think the government through away a policy option and it's made it difficult of borrowing more, of doing more public investment. that option was open to them, unlike, say, spain, and certainly not greece. they had this option and got rid of it. so when it turned out to their shock, they didn't expect this, that the economy basically flat lined, stopped growing...

They're forced to undergo a budget cutting process which probably they should have undergone a decade ago which is really more of a basic reform process. that's not quite the same thing as what's the argument in the united states or the argument here. so whether austerity works or doesn't work, it depends what is the purpose and what is the goal. and it plays out differently in different parts of europe and the world. >> the country you live in much of the time, poland, has had pretty strong growth. >> poland has had strong growth all the polish economy is closely linked to the german economy,...

Austerity debates and what's happening in britain is not the same as what's happening in greece or the united states. the politics and the economies are different. in greece, for example, the greeks don't have the option of borrowing because nobody will lend to them. their ability to borrow is determined as much by the bond market and by their relationship with germany as anything else. they're forced to undergo a budget cutting process which probably they should have undergone a decade ago which is really more of a basic reform process. that's not quite the same thing as what's the argument i...

Away a policy option and it's made it difficult of borrowing more, of doing more public investment. that option was open to them, they had this option and got rid of it. shock, they didn't expect this, that the economy basically flat lined, stopped growing, recovery was aborted, the policy the bank of england has been pursuing is not effective partly because our banking system is not fixed. >> how does the austerity debate look to you? >> i think it's important to understand there are different austerity debates and what's happening in britain is not the same as what's happening in greece or t...