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Regulatory regime actually does get rolled back. paul: and, colin, just the figures here, the her care da center did a study showing if regulations had been frozen since 1980, the economy would be $4 trillion larger, about $13,000 per individual. >> isn't it just astonishing, paul? i mean, actually, since 1976 there have been over 180,000 regulations written. i mean, that number is just mind-spinning. and it is the small businesses that get hit. they're the ones that either don't start up or can't expand, and it just, you know, it continues year after year. so what donald trump is really doing...

>> you want to weigh injustice and travesty, when you see little children slaughtered, maybe it cup ofs your heart. >> it touches my heart so much that i think schools need police officers. >> the cdc and national research institute came out with a study showing that with by and large defensive gun use outweighs criminal use. you are looking at 500,000 to 3.3 million instances of defensive gun use a year. why don't we have a meeting where the president is surrounded about someone who successfully defended themselves using a firearm. >> i tell you why, dana, because the nra and their accolades ...

I'm not buying it. >> you want to weigh injustice and travesty, when you see little children slaughtered, maybe it cup ofs your heart. >> it touches my heart so much that i think schools need police officers. >> the cdc and national research institute came out with a study showing that with by and large defensive gun use outweighs criminal use. you are looking at 500,000 to 3.3 million instances of defensive gun use a year. why don't we have a meeting where the president is surrounded about someone who successfully defended themselves using a firearm. >> i tell you why, dana, because the nra a...

Pushing to get people out of prisons, and going exactly the wrong direction which is why in chicago, and new york and other cities, you will see the gun violence, and the gun death going up dramatically. so we need to go where the problem is, and that is with better law enforcement, and tougher law enforcement, and closer to the people. >> and now, just to be precise, because we are almost out of time, and felons, you don't have a problem with convicted felons going to gun shows and buying gun guns? >> well, look, we know that the crime committed by people with guns by criminals, they get the ...

Supreme court gar reed those rights to individuals, not just militias. so only new york, illinois, california, south carolina and florida don't allow open carry. so -- >> do you think there are too many hurdles. do you think there are too many hurdles to get a concealed carry permit or an open carry permit? >> no, and i think, again, that's -- that is evolving. i passed a bill as a senator before i became lieutenant governor that changed the process of getting permit to online only, for example. so all of the states are evolving and i want to see a day whenever american citizen can simply have...