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back in the 1980s. i think those types of thoughtful conversations with america, rather than trying to scare seniors like you're doing and other people, it's time to have a legitimate conversation in this country about how to fix that program. >> governor, the term ponzi scheme is what scared seniors, number one. number two, suggesting that social security should no longer be a federal program and return to the states and unconstitutional is like wise frightening. there are a lot of very bright people who agree with you. that's your view. i happen to have a different one. i think soc...

federal program as you did six months ago when your book came out and returned to the states? >> i think we ought to have a conversation. >> we're having that right now, governor. >> yes, sir. if you'll let me finish i'll finish this conversation. but the issue is, are there ways to move the states into social security for state employees or retirees? we did in the state of texas back in the 1980s. i think those types of thoughtful conversations with america, rather than trying to scare seniors like you're doing and other people, it's time to have a legitimate conversation in this co...