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john cooper clarke was once dubbed "the punk poet". all his life, he has used words, rhythm and rhyme to find humour and truth in the chaos of everyday life. thanks to the internet, one of his poems has become a worldwide viral sensation. so, where does his word magic come from? john cooper clarke, welcome to hardtalk. hello, stephen. it's great to have you here, john. ijust read your memoir and one of the first sentences in it is this one — "all my life, all i ever wanted to be was a professional poet." now, i've heard of kids who want to be train drivers, professional footballers...

wordsmiths but many of us shy away from the art and the best harness the power of words, poetry. but not my guest today. john cooper clarke once called the punk poet, all his life is used words, rhythm and rhyme to bind human and truth in the chaos of everyday life. thanks to the internet one of his crimes has become a worldwide viral sensation. where does his word magic come from. —— poems. john cooper clarke, welcome to hardtalk. great to have you here. ijust read your memoir in one of the first sentences as this one, all my life all i ever wanted to be was a professional poet....

hi to everyone. it is 4:00 in new york. happy friday. what began at a celebrity golf tournament in 2006, an affair between a porn star and a business mogul, now has the potential to throw the entire country into unchartered territory with donald trump reportedly on the verge of becoming the first ex-president to be criminally indicted. as we reported on this program yesterday, blockbuster reporting in the "new york times" reveals that the manhattan d.a. has invited donald trump to testify before a grand jury in the probe examining hush money payments to adult actress stormy daniels. ...

all his life, he has used words, rhythm and rhyme to find humour and truth in the chaos of everyday life. thanks to the internet, one of his poems has become a worldwide viral sensation. so, where does his word magic come from? john cooper clarke, welcome to hardtalk. hello, stephen. it's great to have you here, john. ijust read your memoir and one of the first sentences in it is this one — "all my life, all i ever wanted to be was a professional poet." now, i've heard of kids who want to be train drivers, professional footballers, but very rare to find a kid who always knew he wan...

>> kat: okay, really? because everything is kind of rough right now if you ask me. i mean, sometimes the news can feel like depressing story after depressing story. if i want to see that i'd just flip through my old diary. a former united states president being arrested, a current united states president who can't pronounce the word arrested. deadly storms, inflation, violence, and that's just in the fox and friends green room. the only thing that might be more depressing than the news is the power that all of this sad traumatic stuff has to divide us. but there is a way to heal. bot...