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I will just point this out, though, when richard nixon finally resigned in august of 1974, almost a year had passed from the time that -- a little more than a year passed from the time the white house taping system was revealed in congressional hearings. so it took a year for republicans to come around and finally say to him, okay, you've lost our support. so these things do take time if they happen at all. >> charlie, new polling from pew that found 54% of americans now back impeachment. that number grows rapidly almost week by week. pew has also found while majorities of republicans across a...

Jeffrey's point, there is still a lot of things we don't know here yet, but there may well be. it is clear there are people who are not in the inner circle deeply disturbed alarmed by what they know and heard and want to speak out as whistle-blowers or at least have some protection when they do that. and so we know that but i don't think -- so far there hasn't been anybody who has the inside track. john dean knew a heck of a lot, right, at the center? he was the ground central zero at ground central for all the information going through the white house. he knew everything. so when he spilled, ...

What does the nixon model teach folks here today? >> well, first of all, the nixon process was very different and most of the investigation had happened and a lot of it was public so the public knew about the enemy's list and the public knew that there was a taping system and the public knew there was an insider named john dean that was a part of the cover-up and it was a saturday night massacre that was a public event that got democrats and republicans say there was an inquiry and there was a lot in the air already whereas now the investigation is just starting and so what i expect to see is ...

Enormous number of questions about what the content of those calls would be. is it alexander butterfield who revealed in a meeting with fred thompson in a watergate staff meeting that there was a white house taping system? i don't think it's quite that scale because we had no sense at that point that there was a taping system for nixon. >> we did know in this case. >> right. what it does say in this case is that the president of the united states has had a lot of free wheeling and arguably inappropriate conversations, and that people around him recognized that it was inappropriate, so much so ...

Illicit and perhaps unconstitutional to try to curry favor with ukraine to get a secret deal, secret payload of dirt on biden. so they really echo each other a lot, and nixon got undone with the tapes when we found out through alexander butterfield that there was a taping system in the white house and of nixon. donald trump, we have a transcript now. he's saying in his own words, you can hear the quid pro quo, or at least read the transcript of it. that may be enough to move forward very quickly with impeachment. the fact that we have what trump had said to the ukraine leader. >> this isn't a ...