Guys, that says something. >> let's talk about all this and more. the former cia operations officer, glenn carl is joining us. glenn, what do you make of this? you had a top position in the intelligence agency for many years, oversaw terrorism analysis. this notion that a guy like abu bakr al baghdadi, roaming around freely at the camp before he was eventually released by u.s. military personnel is pretty stunning. >> we looked, of course, really hard at trying to develop a profile, who would become a terrorist, a jihadist. and i think we have a pretty good handle on the dynamic. the dynamic i...