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CNN Newsroom-20130402-15:31:00

but the bottom line is that at the end of the day, these organizations are really fundamentally criminal enterprises. that means above all their interest is in green, in money. skin color comes long after that. >> reporter: prosecutors say there are more than 2,000 abt members in texas. 2,000 members who have pledged to unconditionally follow the orders of their gang leaders. orders that authorities say include violence and murder. deborah feyerick, cnn, new york. >> our thanks to deb for that story. by the way, that is just part of the story. up next, i'm going to talk with a former texas prison warden who has his own history with the aryan brotherhood. the battle of bataan, 1942. [ all ] fort benning, georgia, in 1999. [ male announcer ] usaa auto insurance is often handed down from generation to generation because it offers a superior level of protection and because usaa's commitment

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CNN Newsroom-20130402-15:36:00

warden, prison warden, and now a prison consultant. thank you very much for joining me on this very distressing topic. i wanted to get your background with the aryan brotherhood of texas. we heard the southern poverty law center saying they don't get any more dangerous than this. it's the most violent gang are. they as violent outside the prisons as they are inside, or do we even know that yet? >> well, having studied them for over 30 years, they are a violent prison gang. i would dispute that they're the most violent prison gang in the united states. there's a lot of research that shows that others are more violent, but in regard to the abt, they carry out their criminal enterprise in a violent way. >> the criminal enterprise, deb feyerick was reporting, has a lot to do with many. people think it might have to do with race, but it's with money. does that square with your experience with these members?

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