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Happen without someone being involved and someone knowing it happened? you follow me? however that happened, somebody knows. >> the interrogator will suggest the scenario for the crime and make it clear if this is the way it happened, you can go home at the end of the day. >> if you tell us accidentally you caused this injury last night or the night before, we'll still drive you home tonight. >> that's the magic word. accident. he keeps putting in, it was an accident, and it was an accident. >> do you think if you accidentally caused this injury we'll arrest you? >> yes. >> if we lie to you, y...

Conference unprecedented? has any director ever done this before? they went back through the archives and they could not find a record of anybody doing this before but said they couldn't be sured. >> it's classified, the answer to that question. barbara starr, appreciate it. reaction now from two former cia officers. glen carle and gary burgison. jaw breaker, the attack on bin laden and glen karl is the author of the interrogator and education. so dwlglen, he had a nuanced anr when it came to the effectiveness of the enhanced interrogation techniques. he said it is unknowable whether or not th...

Of "the interrogator." glen, you worked at a black site. i know you can't go into details any mr. that that. >> you don't define yourself by practices of the enemy. the enemy is appalling, i dedicated my life to stopping these people. they're terrible. no debate about that. the issue is who are we? what do we need to be? torture doesn't work. it is illegal according to all laws. multiple. cite them and fill up your entire program with them. it is clear what happens. you don't talk to the wolf about what is going wrong in the chicken coop. it's obvious. it is unnecessary. doesn't work.

When dick cheney talks about enhanced interrogation techniques, you know they're talking about torture. tonight we're not talking right or wrong. we all know where we stand on that one already. let's talk about one simple issue. does it work? if in a terrible situation where the country has a lot on the line. should the president give the go ahead to give it a try or not? is there a plausible case based on human instinct, human history, what we call common sense that giving someone pain gets them to tell the truth or gets some people to tell the truth? glen carl, a former cia officer and autho...

Whatever is necessary in order to make that pain stop. and that's why there's also a wealth of misinformation that comes out of people who are being subjected to it. >> that's one of the big debates that the torture report has set up. did it work? was it worth it? probably a bigger question for many, was it right? we certainly now know senator john mccain's stance. >> it's been his stance for a long time. he, of course, was a whizzer prf war for many years in vietnam. glenn carl is the author of "the interrogator." thanks so much for being with us. >> thank you, my pleasure. >> you ran interro...