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And you may be the president or kind of a public figure, alex jones the pseudoperformer that he is, but you have no right to show up on social media if you are going the slander people. that suspect protected speech. and i applaud those networks who -- you choose not to have white supremacists on your air time, choosing not to display that madness is actually i think part of our shared civic duty. and we need to do more of it not allow bad guys to weaponize the first amendment and hide behind it. >> do you feel, though, like civic duty doesn't mean the same thing to the country at large anymor...

Americans. we're a democracy. they're significant. and the thing is, i think what people don't understand always is that disinformation doesn't radicalize people. it's a gateway -- it's not a gateway drug. people are radicalized much more -- we saw this with isis when i was in the state department, much more by an em deem logical model, by people that they know already, by intimates. i mean, you know, were talking about the oath keep and these illegal militia groups. there's a reason why the people in there are brothers and cousins. they radicalize each other. the disinformation and the conspi...