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Litigation team for the defense in shelby county v. holder. judith brown diane and friend of the show america s unwritten constitution, the principles we live by. sterling professor of law. great to have you all here. thanks. so oral arguments this week. we talked about the case last week. i m curious. i think a lot of people went in essentially estimating host tim on the conservative justices and they were not disappointed. my first question, and dale, you worked on the litigation team, what were the surprises in oral arguments to you? well, we weren t surprised, as you said, that there was some you know, there were some questions raised about the continuing need for section 5 of the voting rights act. in fact, if anything, i think people were a little less hostile than maybe they were in the northwest austin case once some of the same issues came up. ....

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