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colleagues, his former colleagues in the senate to end the filibuster. we can't get the john lewis voting rights advancement act passed or the for the people act passed with the congress that we have right now without ending the filibuster. >> you know, eli stokels, this is where this debate is. i want to read you yamiche's immediate reaction and ask you for yours and then we'll turn to what judith raises which is how. she tweeted that was one of president biden's most passionate speeches of his presidency, possibly of his entire career. he's saying very clearly this is a crisis as important as to what led to the civil war. he had peddlers of lies are threatening the very foundation of our country. i see it that way too. and i also, having spent time in the republican party, i assure you they see the opposite is the
rights to be as big of a priority as infrastructure. at the end of the day, you're talking about the most fundamental right in a democracy. that touches a lot more people than infrastructure. so i think it's going to be very difficult for democrats to run in 2022, to run in 2024 if they don't actually pass this legislation to protect the fundamental right to vote that their voters turned out to protect in 2020. >> judith, i want to put this out there because the president did, i think, a very good job at this today. at a time when the right is waging a culture war about teaching our country's racial history with this hand, with this hand they are advocating brazenly in the light of day voter suppression legislation, voter nullification legislation in a targeted manner to disenfranchise voters of color. i wonder what you make of sort of the starting line. everyone is talking about doing more to educate their voters. it's to educate minority voters.
times." also joining us is ari berman and judith brown diane. judith, i start with you. take me through your reaction to the president's address today. >> sure. thanks, nicolle. i think, number one, it is important for the american people to hear from the president of the united states about the issue of voting rights. it's important that he sounded the alarm about the attack on voting rights. he also laid out what his administration is doing. they can't do everything. he called on congress. and also he set out the truth. he debunked the big lie and he laid out a great case for why it is a lie and why we need to move on, but also why we need to protect democracy. but, nicolle, he didn't go far enough for me. at the end of the day, i need the president to call on his
litigation team for the defense in shelby county v. holder. judith brown diane and friend of the show america's unwritten constitution, the principles we live by. sterling professor of law. great to have you all here. >> thanks. >> so oral arguments this week. we talked about the case last week. i'm curious. i think a lot of people went in essentially estimating host tim on the conservative justices and they were not disappointed. my first question, and dale, you worked on the litigation team, what were the surprises in oral arguments to you? >> well, we weren't surprised, as you said, that there was some -- you know, there were some questions raised about the continuing need for section 5 of the voting rights act. in fact, if anything, i think people were a little less hostile than maybe they were in the northwest austin case once some of the same issues came up.
limiting early voting. three states made it more difficult for ex-felons to vote, and two states, texas and florida, placed restrictions on voter registration groups. and they're all rewriting the rules of the game in an effort to prevent, let's face it, democrats from getting to the polls, minorities, poor people and younger people in particular. cynthia tucker is a pulitzer prize winning columnist with the university of georgia. judith brown diane is the co-director of the advancement project, thank you for joining us, and as always, cynthia, thank you, my colleague. this is such obvious gamesmanship. when you start saying, if you do have some voter irregularities somewhere, you fix them, you catch them, you prosecute. but there is no real examples out there floating around of cheating. >> none. >> so why did they change the rules so you have to -- an older person, 80 years old, who obviously doesn't drive a freaking car, obviously doesn't have a driver's license, has to find some sort of document. where would an 80-year-old go to find a picture i.d., government
particular. judith brown diane is the co-director of the advancement project, thank you for joining us, and as always, cynthia, thank you, my colleague. this is such obvious gamesmanship. when you start saying, if you do have some voter irregularities somewhere, you fix them, you catch them, you prosecute. but there is no real examples out there floating around of cheating. >> none. >> so why did they change the rules so you have to -- an older person, 80 years old, who obviously doesn't have a freaking car, obviously doesn't have a driver's license, has to go find some document. where would an 80-year-old go to find a picture i.d., government issued? >> in some cases, they have to go to the county seat. if they don't drive, they have to find a ride to get to the county seat. >> and somebody has to tell them have to do it. >> exactly. >> and they don't know this until they get to the voting booth, probably. >> let me be very clear about this part, chris. i come from a rural part of
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