particular. judith brown diane is the co-director of the advancement project, thank you for joining us, and as always, cynthia, thank you, my colleague. this is such obvious gamesmanship. when you start saying, if you do have some voter irregularities somewhere, you fix them, you catch them, you prosecute. but there is no real examples out there floating around of cheating. >> none. >> so why did they change the rules so you have to -- an older person, 80 years old, who obviously doesn't have a freaking car, obviously doesn't have a driver's license, has to go find some document. where would an 80-year-old go to find a picture i.d., government issued? >> in some cases, they have to go to the county seat. if they don't drive, they have to find a ride to get to the county seat. >> and somebody has to tell them have to do it. >> exactly. >> and they don't know this until they get to the voting booth, probably. >> let me be very clear about this part, chris. i come from a rural part of
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