us along with our panel as we watch this, the idea this search might have to be stopped for a given length of time, it s not something we certainly have never heard of. we heard that before with air france flight 447, that the flight had already been found. but we re way early on that. we re not i don t think for a moment we re going to be talking about stopping at any time soon. remembering the southern hemisphere winter, it s coming into fall now, then winter will be coming along shortly. i think we re some way off. i d be very surprised if he s going to announce he s bringing friends home tomorrow. absolutely once winter arrives in the southern hemisphere and depths of winter, you won t find them going out. it would be too dangerous with the planes and it would be fruitless. they will do what they did with 447, regroup and look at the evidence and set up a new plan for where they re going to start. david, i mean, can this debris amei mean, some of it would sink after a certain amount of time. what is floating will stay floating for longer than you might expect. the bottom of the cargo compartment, which is a green zinc chromate color. one part of debris is said to be green? yes, which is fairly unique to that aircraft. typically they re painted white and have a different color inside. this aircraft doesn t, it s green. it s a honeycomb structure, it has a sealed epoxyed together, which has sealed air compartments inside it. if it s floating, it s likely to continue to float but certainly not through the winter. and we re anticipating this press conference getting started any time soon. at this point, there are no assets now on scene in terms of the search, even obviously aircraft are not flying given the bad weather, but even ships on the surface that were in the region, had they left the search area? it was ordered out of the search area. there was one ship in the area and it was ordered out because of the waves. the australian military saying the wave length has been extreme, 6 1/2 waves and the swells have been doubled that. the conditions have not been ideal. it is foggy. this is an air known to pilots as a roaring 40s, right at 40 latitude and longitude and you toss in bad weather and it makes it too dangerous to be there on the water or in the air. the press conference that you re seeing, as we show you a split screen here, that press conference is quite unusual. it s actually just right over my right shoulder. it s a bit of a walk but that press conference is nothing that we ve seen here since we arrived. you don t have the defense minister simply fly in and gather the reporters. we haven t had the military come over to us and say, okay, everybody, gather up, it s time to make some sort of announcement. we re guessing at this point it must be something significant. the first highest level minister we ve heard from through all this and we were called to it. we re very anxious what he s going to say. richard? i ve just been advised by one of our producers who says that the minister of defense will be joined by the vice chief of defense staff and the deputy chief of joint operations. so they re pulling in the big brass here. i m guessing we re going to get a very good operational overview and a road map, unless of course whether they re going to tell us they ve identified something. i think it s going to be more operational, this is where we re going, this is where we re going and where we expect to move it forward. most information which has come out, how does it come out from the military, from military authorities? there s not regular press conferences you said? no. we ve had to in some ways because they ve been so overwhelmed by our phone calls call and call and call and call or they released it via social media or on their web site. that s why all of us here on the base are really quite interested in what s going to be announced because richard may very well be right that this is just a plan of what it s going to look like now that we re into day six. but, you know, this is a high-level minister flying into this military base from a distance and, you know, wanting to talk to reporters. we think this might be something significant. when was the search called off for today? it s obviously just past midnight here, very early tuesday morning, very late monday night, however you want to look at it. it s tuesday afternoon in australia. at what point was the search called off? reporter: it was publicly announced about 55 minutes after the first plane was set to take off. in that vein of how do we get that information, it came via press release, it came via social media. it didn t come through an announcement. that s a pretty big deal to simply say we re not going to be searching to. you did notice this morning that the cars were arriving and the crews were arriving. it did sound like they were going to take off. we had been given no indication that today was not going to be a day that they fly. in fact, we had been told that they were going to again take to the air. but whether always is the determining factor of whether or not you can continue an operation like this. about 55 minutes, anderson, is when it was at least publicly told to us that it was not going to be happening today. and this press conference or statement should be any minute. we anticipated it about six minutes ago. in about 24 minutes from now, there s a press conference in kuala lumpur, in malaysia, that is supposed to take place. the fact that there are these two different press conferences, it does give you a sense of just on a very limited scale of the complexity and scale of this entire operation and investigation. i mean, the communication has got to be it s coordinated, it shows the difficulty and the breadth of we have this situation in china right now where you have family members heading toward the malaysian embassy, situations in kuala lumpur where they re preparing for this press conference, a conference in perth, australia. it involves so many different nationalities and personalities. the complexity is unbelievable. the thing about an accident investigation, i don t care how big or small it is, you never know what you did right, you only know what you did wrong. that s really a difficult position to be in. i really feel for these folks doing this investigation. i ve never done an investigation that after the fact want second guessed and even myself second guessed. that s part of getting the experience to do it and i just feel for them right now. they re going through a lot. in terms of the investigation, there are representatives from the ntsb, from british authorities in kuala lumpur working with malaysian authorities. how does something like that get coordinated? what we do is we have an inspector in charge, whether that s the ntsb or delegated to the faa in smaller cases. that gives you a single point of contact and that would be incredibly difficult with all these countries and varying levels of experience and what they can and cannot do. the ntsb is cautious not to go there and take over things. they re very experienced. but when they re not the inspector in charge, they re in a difficult position as well. they re in kind of a tender position of trying to build and contribute to the team without trying to take over and step on egos and everything else that s involved. we heard a short time ago family members in beijing are heading toward the malaysian embassy to protest. there has been a lot of criticism of malaysian authorities. fair or not fair, richard? it s not been a rolls-royce of an investigation. it s not ban gold standard investigation that you might have expected to see out of the ntsb or the double aib in the u.k. or b.e.a. in trafrance. i think the truth is it s been nowhere near as bad as people are saying. the reality is if you were to say how many facts have they got wrong, almost none. have they had to correct or tweak things? undoubtedly. that s the normal way to do things. but to start this mass i m sorry, let me just malaysian airline spokesman is telling cnn malaysian airlines is not sending family members anywhere until they find wreckage of the flight or receive emergency notification from the search and rescue operation in australia. just been given that word. earlier in the day there had been reporting they are looking to possibly flying family members once the debris was found to australia. it s going to depend on when actual debris from the plane is found. this has been unprecedented, everybody agrees. but two weeks ago i ll give you an example of what we re talking about here. everybody says why do they continue looking up in the north when clearly there was radar tracks and all this stuff showing the thing turned around. because it had to be verified it, had to be confirmed. we know it was sent backwards and forwards to the u.s. and k.l. they would have been excoriated if they sent ships all the way down to the south indian ocean, 2.5 thousand miles on a hunch. the malaysians know what they are doing, it s been messy. others may disagree. this is an overwhelming situation in its magnitude. the likes of which we have never seen. it s unprecedented absolutely. an accident investigation in and of itself is an overwhelming thing from the standpoint down right to emotion, as you understand. they probably withheld information as part of the investigation process because some of this has not is not for public knowledge because it s detrimental to the families, to the friends of the passengers. even national security issues are involved given military radar versus civilian radar in countries like malaysia and elsewhere. countries are loath to let their military information be known to enemies or even allies. and it got worse. the plane wasn t where it was expected to be. and suddenly not only do you not have a plane where you expect it to be but you re starting to hear rumors that it s actually gone in the opposite direction and you ve got no evidence. now, if there is a criticism, it goes to the malaysian criticism for not spotting the 370 going across on the night. and there s still a big question of how that could have happened, how could it have crossed malaysian airspace without the military realizing. but the core issue of expecting them to have known that the plane was two and a half thousand miles in the opposite direction, and even that inmarsat said you see a bunch of reporters waiting around where the australian defense minister is said to be making a statement or giving a press conference. it was supposed to take place 12 minutes ago. obviously we are waiting just as the reporters are waiting in the sun there just outside perth, australia. kyung, have officials given any word on what s gone on? we don t. we have a colleague at that press conference right now and ten minutes to 12 they were given ten-minute warning. it was scheduled to happen at noon. we don t know exactly what the delay is all about. we know he s traveling in, the defense minister is traveling in. perhaps there s a travel delay. we simply don t know. but if i could just add one thing to what you and richard were talking about, you know, you mentioned the criticism about malaysia airlines. i was told by a chinese journalist here that they re under the impression that the chinese families are coming here and coming very soon. we ve heard a number of reports of fathers of the passengers heading to the kuala lumpur airport because they were told by malaysia airlines they were going to be traveling to australia. so there is a lot of mixed messaging happening and it very frustrating for the families, it s very frustrating for the people who are emotionally and directly involved. so, yes, there is all this criticism out there but the effect of it is that it s making it much more painful for the parents and the children of the passengers. our david fitzpatrick is at the press conference awaiting it. david, what are you hearing? reporter: anderson, there have been two other members of the australian defense ministry staff joining david johnson here. so far there are about 50 or so members of the media here, there is a line or four orions here. we have to sit here and wait. as soon as we see people walk up, we ll certainly let you know. again, this is just a sign of the kind of coordination on a small scale taking place. malaysian officials are supposed to be giving a press conference 15 minutes from now. on something like this would i mean how much communication is there or would there be between the investigation taking place in malaysia and australian officials with the coordination of release of information? it goes back to the fact there s no singular person in charge of the investigation or controlling the information back and forth. as les pointed out, at some point you have to say what is real information, what s not and what s worth what do we need to spend resources investigating. you could go down all kinds of different routes but at some point you make up a priority mate tririx of the theories and philosophies and put weights on that to come up with mathematical figures to figure out the most likely scenario. i m sorry, go ahead. but to try to dilute that map with what s going on with all of the different participants has just got to be painstaking. we re told the press conference will begin shortly. we re going to take about a 90-second break and bring it to you live when we come back. frequent heartburn? 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[ male announcer ] it s how edward jones makes sense of investing. we are going to make some comments regarding the investigation and the australian and international efforts to hopefully find something regarding flight 370. ladies and gentlemen, thank you all for keeping everybody informed as to what is going on and what is most important event in terms of aviation and maritime safety. today i m here to speak to the crews and the maintainers of these magnificent aircraft that are behind me. i want to take the opportunity to publicly thank all of the crews and all of the teams that keep these planes flying. as you know, it is a four-hour trip down there, two hours on station and then four hours home. this is an extremely remote part of the world. it 3,500 meters deep, 2,500 kilometers from perth. eig it s a massive logistic exercise. there are four australian p-3s, a p-8 from the united states, two illusions from china, there s a p-3 coming from korea with a c-130h this afternoon. i want to thaake the opportunit to thank all of those countries for their assistant. i had lunch with the teams and they re keeping their aircrafts flying and keeping their teams up to the minute enthusiasm. hms success has had to deployed to the west to avoid major weather operations. visa fees will be waived for the families of the passengers and crew of this malaysian aircraft. we will be very pleased to welcome them here to give them some closure in what is an extreme tragedy for them. so for that i come back to the fact that this is an amazing example of international cooperation, particularly between militaries. and may i say as a western australian, we are very pleased to host the chinese, the japanese, koreans and americans into western certainly australians. reporter: are the chinese being flown here to be flown over the logistical area? i don t want to speculate because this is a major operation. this is probably one of the most remote parts of our planet. we want to get that right. we want to assist these families and friends to have some closure, but let s talk about that when we know how many are coming and when they re arriving. reporter: is it very clearly now a case of not looking for survivors but looking for debris and looking for the black boxes? to this point in time we have no successfully identified and recovered any debris from the aircraft in question. reporter: can you confirm this is the place that the plane crashed? reporter: in his view the plane was in the southern ocean. do you share that strength of view? i think if we re going to go on data and information giving us a hint as to what has actually happened, that s all we ve got to go on. the telemetry from the satellite, the inmarsat satellite and the performance of the aircraft is all we ve got to go on. i think we ve got to rely on that and that s what we ve been doing. this lady would like to ask a question. reporter: would you say you are confident with the prime minister assessment that the fate of flight 370 ended in the indian ocean. are you confident about that? i m confident about that because that s the best we ve got at this time. reporter: so you re not surprised they made the call last night, sending the messages to the families? i m not surprised about anything with respect to this. this is a mystery and until we recover and positively identify a piece of debris, everything is virtu virtually speculation. reporter: what s the idea with the search operation? when you have to suspend operations for 24 hours because of weather, these beautiful aircraft behind me are grounded. it is rough, there are 20, 30 meter waves, it is very, very dangerous, even for big ships. reporter: have you received further details from malaysia can support the conclusion delivered by malaysia premier? i will hand over to the vice minister of defense that will tell you everything we have you know about and that we are doing everything we can to, first of all, make a positive identification on a piece of debris. that will mean we re on the right track. that s not going to happen for at least another 24 hours because we ve had to redeploy our ship due to weather. reporter: can you verify the photos the chance provided? i have nothing to add on that. i think you ve seen all the information out there. reporter: were you informed before minister najib made his statement last night? i probably wasn t because i was traveling. the prime minister has been informed as event passed. reporter: do you understand hms success to be confident they re close to what was seen from the air yesterday? it very easy to speculate about being close. close in this part of the world could be several hundred kilometers. if you want to put it in some sore of analogous skipdescripti we are looking for an aircraft from perth in western australia. this is probably one of the largest efforts you ll ever see in terms of maritime surveillance, joint efforts between johnson, china, united states, new zealand, straaustra et cetera. reporter: how urgent is it to find the black box everything urgent. we have to deal with it the best we can. reporter: objects haven t been confirmed. the turning point will be when we pull some piece of debris from the surface of the ocean and positively identify it as being part of the aircraft. reporter: do you have any other details on the support that will be provided to families? at this stage i don t. but bear in mind the prime minister is very, very fixed on assisting malaysia, who is a very good friend of australia in dealing with the families of the crew and passengers on board this aircraft. we ll do what we can within reason. reporter: [ inaudible ]. i m going to hand over to vice chief of defense binskin, who is with the royal australian air force. if i can put the analogy of what we ve got at the moment. we re not searching for a needle in a haystack. we re still trying to find where the haystack is. you re seeing a multi-national effort going on. it is difficult for hms success to be able to find small bits of debris that is washing around in the southern indian ocean at the moment. as the minister said, for safety concerns today, we had to put success to the south. we re hoping for good weather in coming days where the search effort will be joined by a number of chinese ships. we ll have the korean b-3 and we ll have more ships and more aircraft and can refine the search. reporter: it becoming more of a recovery operation than it was before. there are no asset, including the ocean shield heading out there. what s its role, what can it do? it will be joining the search in a couple of days. it takes time to come down and around into the search area. the aim for her will be working to put specialist equipment on board so that as we further refine the search area, that we might be able to go out and look for the black boxes. reporter: has there been a 100% collaboration between the nations in terms of the search? is it under one specific umbrella? actually, the collaboration has been very, very good between nations. for the start of it, there s been a lot of cooperation between the u.s., u.k. and australia. it was the u.k. part of the team that first put us into the place we are now and that s been refined by more imagery from china that everyone is getting a chance to look at. that side of it is very, very collaborative. from the aircraft and ships, there s a lot of collaboration going on by the moment. it a relatively small operation and it growing by the day. is information being passed to malaysia? the answer is yes. do you have information or evidence that maybe there s still doubt that 370 did go down in the indian ocean? the best information we have and i haven t seen the report but the information from the british overnight seeps to indicate more sewurety that it went down in the southern indian nation. as we get more data, we continue to defined the search data. reporter: [ inaudible ]. i won t go into those details. we won t have time for that. but it is to get an indication where you re searching before you can define that. reporter: how long do you think the search will be delayed because of the weather? they are very, very good at measuring the currents. we ve dropped buoys to measure the water. they will keep a very good track on where the current debris field should be. as the weather clears, we ll go back in. at the moment it available by aircraft and we will send ships back in. we have to make sure anything we pick up we can possibly identify as wreckage and then further refine the search area. we re awaiting now a press conference from malaysian airlines scheduled to happen about two minutes from now in kuala lumpur, which is about 12:30 in the afternoon. we re going to bring you the scene of that press conference. frankly not a lot of news coming out of the australian press conference, which was more of an overview, defense minister saying he had flown there to thank all the crews involved in the search. he also thanks all the countries involved who have actually sent air assets and ships, australia, new zealand, japan, china, korea sending an asset later today. he talked about waiving visas for family members of the crews and the passengers and just talked about the rough conditions, the swells that are out in the search area which have forced officials to call off the search at least for today. no word on if the search will continue. let s listen in to kuala lumpur. i am the chairman of the malaysian airlines. as you will be aware, last night the prime minister of malaysia najib razak announced new evidence regarding the disappearance of ma 370 on the 8th of march. based on this evidence, the prime minister s message was that we must now accept the painful reality that the aircraft is now lost and that none of the passengers or crew on board survived. this is a tragic day for all of us at this airlines. while not entirely unexpected after an intensive multi-national search across 2.4 million square mile area, this news is clearly devastating for the families of those on board. they have waited over two weeks for even the smallest of hope of positive news about their loved ones. this has been an unprecedented event requiring an unprecedented response. the investigation under way may yet prove to be even longer and more complex. than it has been since march the 8th. but we will continue to support the families, as we have done throughout. and to support the authorities as the search for definite answers continues. i will now ask our group to provide you with fuller details of our support of the families. . i stand before you today as the group chief executive officer of malaysian airlines but also as a parent, as a brother and as a son. my heart breaks to think of the unimaginable pain suffered by all the family. there are no words which can ease that pain. everyone in malaysia airlines family is praying for the 239 souls on ma-370 and for their loved ones on this dark day. we extend our prayers and sincere condolences. we all feel enormous sorrow and pain. sorrow that all those who boarded flight mh-370 on saturday 8 of march would not see their families again. and those family will now have to live, they have to live on without their loved ones. it must be remembered that 13 of our own colleagues and fellows are also involved. let me be very clear on the events of yesterday evening. our sole motivation last night was to ensure that the incredibly short amount of time available to us, the families heard the tragic news before the world did. wherever humanly possible we did so in person with the families or by telephone using message as a last result of ensuring fully that nearly 1,000 family members heard the news from us and not from the media. ever since the disappearance of flight mh-370, this airline s focus has been to comfort and support the families of those involved and also to support the multi-national search effort. we will continue to do this while we also continue to support the work of the investigating authorities in the southern indian ocean. like everyone else, we are waiting for news from those authorities. we know that while there had been an increasing number of apparent leads, definitely identification of any piece of debris is still missing. but after 17 days, the announcement made last night and shared with the families is the reality that we must face and we now must accept. when we received approval from the investigating authorities, arrangement will be made to bring families to the recovery areas if they so wish. until that time we will continue to support the ongoing investigation. and may i express my thanks to the malaysian government and all those involved in this truly global search effort. in the meantime, our focus will be the same as it has been from the outset, to provide the families with a comprehensive support program. a network of over 700 dedicated care givers, care givers for each the loved ones of those on board have been provided with two dedicated care givers and they provide care, support and counsel to the families. we are now supporting over 900 people and with this program and in the last 72 hours alone, we have trained additional 40 care givers to ensure the families have access to round-the-clock support. in addition, hotel accommodation for up to five family members per passengers, transportation, meals and other expenses have been provided since 8 of march and that will continue. malaysia airlines have already provided initial financial assistance of $5,000 u.s. dollar per passenger to each next of kin. we recognize the financial support is not the only consideration, but the prolonged search is naturally placing financial strain on the relatives. we are, therefore, preparing to offer additional payment as the search continues. this unprecedented event in aviation history has made the past 18 days the greatest challenge to face our entire team at malaysia airlines. i ve been humbled by the hard work, by dedication, heart-felt messages of concern and offers of support from our remarkable team. we do not know why, we do not know how, we do not know how this terrible tragedy happened. but as this airline s family, we all are praying for the passengers and crew of mh-370. ladies and gentlemen, member of the media, i answer the floor for question-and-answer session. please state your name and media organization before you ask the question. i m from hong kong phoenix tv. my name is carol chong. just now you show your sorrow to the family members and we heard their shouts and screams, especially in beijing, the hotel. so up to now they said you delayed the investigations. did you? and actually what is the evidence, exact evidence that you show to get the result? and some of the family members told us they want to they went to australia, they want to go to australia so could you arrange the trip for them? thank you. you will appreciate the missing plane was reported to the authorities and since then it was a matter for the authorities to take over the searching and finding the plane. and it is since then the domain of the authorities. but as i mentioned earlier, our focus, our center of action throughout this period, painful period, was to provide care and assistance to our passengers. certainly this is a time of extreme emotions and we fully understand that impact people, our family. in terms in how they react is emotional, as you may understand. as regards to going to australia, as mentioned just now we have been informed by authorities that visa will be given or granted to those family members, once evidence has been establish established. next question. reporter: my question is so far you haven t found any evidence of wreckage of the missing plane. how are you so sure you are determined to believe that the plane has crashed. how do you believe that? and just based on the analysis of the images and the like? fair enough. i think that s a very fair question. but as you would also appreciate, especially last night as the prime minister came out himself to share that he has been given fairly credible leads that would point to where the plane ended its flight. and as he mentioned that position is very far away, very remote away from the nearest land mass and after 17 days we could on bring ourselves to reach the conclusion. yes, please. reporter: you talked in your statement a minute ago that this was unexpected. why wait so long for the families to be told that? and why such a hurry [ inaudible ]. as far as we take lead from the investigation that continues. and yesterday when the prime minister made the statement, it was very evident that the aircraft ended its flight in the middle of south indian ocean. so we will have to be we just have to follow those evidence as have been presented to us. and what we did yesterday was to share that as quickly as possible to the next of kin. and will i resign? it s a personal decision. reporter: [ inaudible ]. reporter: how the malaysian side provided information and evidence of the mh-370 flight ending in the indian ocean? the investigation is with the authorities and it is best to ask the authorities. okay, the next one, the lady. reporter: from china. i have a question, the first one i would like to rephrase. now we confirm that the plane is end in the south india ocean but is the survival chance totally avoided? the second question is now there are some reports about they find the mh [ inaudible ]. also that airplane and it happened a sharp turn around and very unstable altitude flying reports. so they have very similar so could these events caused by some failure i m sure that will be very important concentration to be taken by the investigators. thank you. reporter: but the first one, the survival chances at the moment, that s how we are looking at it because the plane ended at a place land mass. reporter: can you repeat that? this by the evidence given to us and by the ration deduction that we could only arrive at that conclusion, for malaysia airline to declare it lost the plane and by extension the people on the plane. reporter: thank you. i m from chinese news organization. during these several days i have interviewed some people in malaysia and crews and family members, most of them are not satisfied with the reaction to this emergency. what is your opinion about this? and why you isolate them to the outside world? thank you. they are saying they are dissatisfied with the opinion? could you repeat the question, please? reporter: during this several days i have interviewed some people in malaysia, including family members. most of them are not satisfied at your reaction to this emergency. so what is your opinion about this? and why you isolate them to the outside world? thank you. our first concern, particularly for the families from china, is for their safety and comfort and privacy. and that is the main concern to driver whatever we tried to offer the family members. and in terms of why we keep them hanging on is simply we all shared their hope as well. reporter: why you isolate them from the outside world? probably isolating them is not the correct impression. we certainly put them in a place where they re comfortable and also is where they could have privacy and they have given access to care givers with whatever they require, like visiting the places of worship and things like that. so they are not being closeted. reporter: my condolences. the police have now narrowed the investigation to the crew members and the pilot in particular, could you comment on that? have you had any problems in the past, any disciplinary issues with the pilots or the crew, anything that would point to anything? thank you. i appreciate that. i think it is a fair question. that brings us back to the purpose of this press conference is to share with other than the families of our affected passengers and crew about what we had done last night, that is to break the news. and what we do next, particularly in terms of continuing with our care giving to our passenger s families and what we do in terms of the normal process as you mentioned for events like this. so your question is correct but i think the direct for um is when we meet investigators. thank you. next question will be from the gentleman over there. reporter: you referred earlier to the information that led to last night s announcement but can you say exactly what the analysis was and what the new data was that gave you enough certainty to make that statement? the best is this afternoon proceed with the military, they will be there to explain. reporter: but do you know presumably what the analysis was? what was it? we had been given the indication that we should now arrive at this very sad conclusion. reporter: the questions are i said the best time is whether we have the ministry of transport this afternoon. thank you. the next question will be from the gentleman over here. reporter: in the spirit of helping the families understand what has happened and baring in mind you now do have more information which led you to the conclusion the prime minister announced, what is your best analysis of what actually happened, bearing in mind we have quite some hours before the next press conference. i don t want to speculate in terms of what happened to the aircraft. i think the investigation is ongoing. i think our focus is really for the family members, how to help them moving forward and that s really our focus here. otherwise we are just speculating and i think the investigation is not concluded, i don t want to speculate any more than that. we re spending our time now and the process going forward in terms of how we can meet our legal and moral obligations to the families. thank you. okay, the next question from the gentleman here. reporter: thank you. from cbs news, i want to ask a question about the perception. this has been dealt with a little bit so far at the news conference. some people, the family members, have not been happy with the way this all has come down as far as their isolation in some cases, whatever. some people have suggested or implied that malaysian airline officials have been heartless. have you been heartless? can you respond to that? we can appreciate that. [ inaudible ]. there are also in our numbers who have we really talked with them. so this question of limitation and practical limitation that we re looking at but coming from our bottom of our heart, we re really reaching forward because 13 of the missing passengers and crew and one passenger, member of our family, extremely closely knit, we feel for each other. and that sort of extends to our passengers as well. from the first day we started the family assistance places all over the place and dispatched the family care givers and we probably enabled them to provide whatever was, you know, which we can do. and certainly no amount of compensation or consolation will make up for any loss of life. and we appreciate that. reporter: and one follow-up. are you going to attempt or will your high ranking executives attempt to meet and talk to every family that has suffered a loss? it s being done all the time, sir. we do not display our names when we go. thank you. the next question from the gentleman in red shirt. reporter: global brazil. i know it s a difficult question but how do you see this position of australian government that on will grant the visas for the families when no evidence is found. maybe still there is hope in australia s opinion? well, actually, i can t speak on behalf of australian government. reporter: that s why i say it s a difficult position. do you agree with the position. whether i agree or don t agree, like i said, we are here to ensure that we support the family and to make sure we fulfill their wishes. in this time of human challenge, compassion will rise. so i think protocol notwithstanding, i m sure, as we say, this is unprecedented event and we may be looking at some un way to resolve this. i m sure that the issue will arise and i m sure it will be addressed. reporter: jason from the wall street journal. i understand you are stressed and your focus right now is to help the families, but malaysia airlines is also party to the investigation. so can you tell us after one or two weeks what is the most likely cause for this? can you tell us confidently that it s not a [ inaudible ]. i really appreciate your curiosity, as we are also, but we have to draw a line between what is, you know, should be in the formal domain and what we can do. our focus at the moment is more in terms watch we can do, which is outside the investigation area. reporter: [ inaudible ]. yeah, certainly we will not want to jeopardize or dissipate anything. can i have the last question from the local authority? reporter: from channel 8 asia, i would like to talk about future of how badly has it affected business and well, obviously it has affected the airline. but so far, like i said, we re doing our best to ensure that those that bought malaysia airline tickets, making sure they are being served, being flown safely, comfortably. moving forward is certainly we will look into. obviously it is something that we must basically share with the families of those on board. weep must empathize with them and i think this is a very painful period for the airline and something that we have to share this spirit with the families and passengers and the crew. reporter: [ inaudible ]. our procedures are we have ratchet up our procedures to the
greatest represented democracy in human history and that s us and happy halloween. and that s hardball for now. all in with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on all in why in the world the fbi would decide to jump into an election with no evidence of any wrongdoing with just days to go. fbi director james comey under fire. ten days to go? i think it s disgraceful. criticism coming from across the political spectrum. i think this is probably not the right thing for comey to do. but is the fbi decision actually impacting voters? we ll breakdown the state of the race with over 23 million votes already cast. jew usa!rom lock her up to jew sa! if in a donald trump close to the election. a second source later confirmed that same story to the huffington post. now, this all comes as comey faces growing backlash for his decision three days ago to announce the bureau had discovered a new trove of e-mails belonging to top clinton aide huma abedin discovered during an investigation of abedin s estranged husband, anthony weiner, for allegedly sending elicit texting to an underage girl. we still have no idea what s in those new e-mails and we have no idea if they have anything to do with the original investigation of potential classified information on hillary clinton s private e-mail server. the fbi has now began to review abedin s e-mails but it remains unclear if they are finished before election day. what we do know about the e-mails and the decisions to make them public 11 days before the election has come largely by leaked to the press. comey explains his thinking and acknowledges potential consequences. given that we do not know the significance of this newly discovered collection of e-mails, i don t want to create a misleading but i wanted you to hear directly from me about it. anonymous sources said he had two main reasons, a sense of obligation to lawmakers and testified this summer and concern that word of the new discovery would be leaked to the media and be reported as a cover-up. the clinton probe has been the subject of an internal feud at the fbi. some investigators pushing for a more aggressive approach. it s been widely reported that in disclosing the new e-mails, comey acted against the guidance of his boss, loretta lynch, and against department policy. earlier today, clinton addressed that issue in cleveland, ohio. i m sure a lot of you may be asking what this new e-mail story is about and why in the host janine piero. i think it s disgraceful. i m outraged because it s a violation of department justice policies and procedures, whatever. it was probably inconsistent with protocol so in that sense you have to question the decision. the protocols are put in place for a reason and ensures more consistent decision making and in that sense you have to question this decision. comey s actions violate not only long-standing justice department policy, the directive of a person that he works under, the attorney general. but even more important, the most fundamental rules of fairness and impartiality. even some of the gop s most famous flame throw ers have bee critical. joe walsh said, look, i think comey should have said prosecute her back in july but what he just did 11 days before the election is wrong and unfair to hillary. and then a member of the outspoken freedom caucus in the case of the a post-election leadership coup. i actually agree. i think this was probably not the right thing for comey to do, but this whole case i think they ve mishandled. i m joined by sheldon whitehouse. he s a former judiciary committee. basically, this would leak, so instead of the director of the fbi writing a letter, you would have reports popping up from unnamed official sources saying we found a bunch of e-mails and it looked like a cover-up so he had to do something. what do you think. if the fbi is not a safe place for classified information or confidential investigative information to go, that s a problem that he needs to address in a very, very serious way. there s a very important public right at stake behind all of this, which is that prosecutors and investigative agencies, like the fbi, get incredible power to look through our personal lives, to look through our papers, to look through our e-mails and they get that power at the price that they are not allowed to disclose it unless they are bringing charges. when i was the attorney general of my state with broad criminal jurisdiction, when i was the united states attorney, we had a very clear rule. any derogatory information that we developed in an investigation had to be listed in the charging document, in the indictment or in the criminal information or else we didn t talk about it. and if there were no charges, then we would never divulge derogatory investigative information, least of all opinion about the suspect who had never been charged. so director comey broke that rule right off the bat with his first press conference. the second bright red flag is that you don t engage with the legislature. he had no obligation to congress to clarify anything. once a prosecutor goes down the rat hole of trying to make sure that congress thinks that what he s doing is fair, there s no going back. and congress is perfectly able to manipulate that by denying its approval, by false criticism and so comey is caught in a terrible trap now of his own making and it s stunning to people who are prosecutors if someone has experienced and honorable as him would fall into this trap. it s fascinating to hear that from a member of the article 1 branch, u.s. senator, to say that this idea of sort of bending the congress or being worried that he was misleading the congress, you don t think that s a legitimate concern in this case? that s totally not a legitimate concern. of all of the people that investigators involved in a criminal investigation should be concerned about, they have no obligation to congress. look, they have an obligation to the integrity of their investigation. and the integrity of their investigation includes keeping information confidential and within the investigation until it s charged. you don t get to be a smearer at large with derogatory information and that s what that rule is designed to protect against and that s the trap that director comey fell into and it s astonishing. what s so insane to me and i ve got to give kudos to the team that reported this paul manafort inquiry, but it s the same problem there. this stuff should not be leaking. we re journalists. but from an ethical standpoint what was interesting, after the comey letter, you have three straight news days of articles with nothing but warring factions of the fbi leaking info without an investigation anonymously and prosecuting this in the court of the public opinion and shredding any presumption of innocence that might have existed. this is a terrible week for the fbi. i have never seen the agency with such indiscipline, with such disregard for these basic prosecutorial principles and ultimately when the dust settles, whether it s donald trump or hillary clinton, the institution that s going to suffer the most will be the federal bureau of investigation for having broken these very, very basic principles of fairness and of prosecutorial conduct. senator sheldon whitehouse, strong words. thank you for taking the time tonight. appreciate it. i m joined by jennifer granholm and richard painter, chief ethics white house lawyer under george w. bush. and mr. painter, let me start with you. i read your op-ed. it was somewhat surprising to me but there seems to be a collective gasp happening after what we ve seen played out in the last three or four days. well, absolutely. the fbi s job is to investigate, not to play politics and the fbi certainly doesn t have an obligation to report to congress but should not be reporting to congress. and the members of the house oversight committee have no business pressuring the fbi to deliver to them information on their political enemies. in this case, hillary clinton. now, in this situation, it appears that the fbi did not have any derogatory information about secretary clinton because they hadn t even gotten a warrant to look at the laptop. so they didn t even know what was in there and yet they are firing this letter up to the hill telling the members of congress that they have all these e-mails. that was inappropriate and, not only that, a violation of the hatch act. the only use of that letter only conceivable use is political. and that s exactly what was done with it and it went up on the internet and then they passed the torch to donald trump and this is a tragedy for the fbi. i am i want to ask you a question, jennifer, in a second. but let me just follow up on that. the hatch act is the federal statute that guides essentially that bars political activity while on the federal dollar. it creates bright lines between essentially civil service activity and political activity. it s a very important part of the civil service architecture of the country. you re accusing comey of violating that. that s a very serious thing to say. well, it s he did violate it. the members of congress, they are not subject to the hatch act. right. there s the president. but the president can t order the fbi or pressure the fbi to investigate his political enemies. neither can members of congress. and that s what s been going on here and we ve had it going on for a year and the fbi s conducted its investigation. they closed the investigation and, by the way, they did not reopen the investigation. i don t know where that came from. but once this letter was sent, it s been blown out of proportion in the media. it s being used for politics and the hatch act prohibits the use of official position to influence an election and i can t imagine a worst violation of the hatch act than the fbi getting involved in partisan politics in trying to influence elections. jennifer, the clinton campaign has been very aggressive on this. you know, they ve organized several phone calls, they ve been public in their frustration and condemnation of james comey. they ve accused him in the wake of the report of him keeping the fbi out of that letter about russia of a double standard, that he was careful about that, not here. is the clinton campaign taking a sledgehammer to an important american institution in precisely they ve attacked donald trump of doing? it s not just the clinton campaign doing it. you have 50 attorney generals who have signed a letter, bipartisan investigation officials, people who are not affiliated with either camp who have long spent their careers as professional investigators or prosecutors signing on saying this as mr. painter has said this is unprecedented. i do think, chris, the double standard issue is a really important one. tonight, you ve got this allegation, this acknowledgement that the fbi has opened an inquiry into paul manafort and his ties to russia and about a month ago there was another report by yahoo that the fbi and intelligence officials were investigating another official tied to the trump campaign named carter page and who was supposed to have ties to russia. those things are really explosive and if the fbi if comey came out and sent a letter to congress saying, yes, i m investigating the fbi for this, there should be there would be incredible outrage. but you don t hear any of that happening. let me stop you right there. the only way we have it is someone leaking it which is improper. that is definitely true. my point is, you don t have the director of the fbi coming out and confirming that. and he is the face of the fbi, which is why this is such a pickle and which is why only he, now that he s gone through this door, he needs to step through and tell us what he has. i know that it may be you know, we don t know how big the universe is, we don t know if it s just e-mails that huma sent saying print this or something like that, your car s outside. we have no idea what they are. but if it is an innocuous as i know the clinton campaign believes it to be, then he needs he has a duty to let the citizens know that there s nothing here, if he can. this entire episode is a reminder of what a thin line it is between the fbi independent and fbi rogue and for much of his life it was in the latter category. that s something to keep in mind. jennifer granholm, richard painter, thank you so much. you bet. still to come, the new unbelievable pro trump ad from white nationalists. that s after this break. you work at ge? yeah, i do. you guys are working on some pretty big stuff over there, right? like a new language for crazy-big, world-changing machines. well, not me specifically. i work on the industrial side. so i build the world-changing machines. i get it. you can t talk because it s super high-level. no, i actually do build the machines. blink if what you re doing involves 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[ crowd chanting jew sa ]. it will be a very, very high priority. that man has been identified as a 51-year-old and he says that s the way i say usa adding, i m around mexican people all the time. i speak spanish. that s just the way i say it. not making it up. seeing as he ended his rant by telling reporters, we re worried about the jews, okay? trump campaign manager kellyanne conway described his conduct as deplorable. we have seen a lot of anti-semites and racists and misogynists who support the trump candidacy. would you call that deplorable? it does not reflect our campaign or candidate. i have to push back on the adjectives that you ve described. these are usa-loving americans. absolutely. who want the country to be safe and prosperous again. the vast majority are not those who chant jew sa but william johnson leaves a quote, the white race is dying out and attacked evan mcmullin who is saying he s going to defeat trump. evan has two mommies. he s over 40 years old, not married and doesn t even have a girlfriend. i believe he s a closet homosexual. don t vote for evan mcmullin. vote for donald trump. in new mexico yesterday, trump falsely claimed hillary advocates, quote, open borders and certainly suggested she would allow 650 million people to, quote, pour in, more than twice the current population, in just one week. he also cited a baseless claim sayi saying immigrants will murder americans. they have warned that hillary s radical plan would result in the loss think of this of thousands of innocent american lives and an uncontrollable flood of illegal immigrants across the border taking jobs and crime would be rampant. joining me now is jason. i guess it s one of these things where you have this conversation, you point to all of these various people and say, look, it s really a thing that these people are supporting trump and the trump folks say and i understand why they do, you re painting with a broad brush and the overwhelming majority are not like that. people don t stand at the rally of a major party nominee chanting jew sa. right. right. donald trump was a racist and gets support by racists. this has not been a question for a long time. he started this campaign by saying there are rapist mexicans and good mexicans. and this is a problem. and it s not because we haven t had racist presidents before. we definitely have throughout american history. i would say that would be the norm, actually. exactly. he s not going to be the first. but he s mainstreamed it. even the turn alt-right. now we have hipster neo-nazis and that s considered fine and sexy. it s dangerous no matter if he loses next week. part of this i think is the atmosphere that is driven by the campaign, right? so there s not right. campaigns are not responsible for everything their supporters do. that s just a blanket, important rule. but they do not they have been slow to condemn certain things and here s wayne alan root at a trump rally talking about huma abedin and hillary clinton. take a listen. i have a name for the feature tv movie called driving miss hillary and the ending, if we all get our wish, is like thelma & louise. he s saying we all get our wish that these other two people will die. right. that is sort of par for the course rhetoric. yeah. and it s become normal. and i don t know, maybe that s his new trump tv show. i don t know. but what we ve seen here is that whether it s bill burr, a candidate in north carolina, donald trump, the idea of causing direct violence against your political opponent is a degradation of political discourse. the suggestion that i will jail my political opponent is a degradation of political discourse. the reason we have peaceful transfer of power, people don t worry if they lose they are going to end up in a ghoul la. it makes everyone much more concerned. i would not be surprised if we see violence after this election next week and that s not something anyone wants to see. i m praying that s not the case. richard burr in a neck-and-neck battle audio of him addressing it and i want to play that audio making a joke about hillary clinton in a gun magazine. take a listen. nothing made me feel any better than i walked into a gun shop i think yesterday in there was a copy of rifleman on the counter and it s got a picture of hillary clinton on the front of it. i was a little bit shocked at that. it doesn t have a bulls-eye on it. and he says, look, that was a joke and has since apologized. but there is you know, you cannot go to any event anymore where the range about the feeling of hillary clinton is either she should be in a jail or she should be dead. right. and here s what i see is ultimately the problem with this. kellyanne can say the trump campaign is trying to distance itself from it. this has been the problem in the republican party for years. this is what reince priebus tried to fix saying we need to open up the party but instead they have gone full and the long-term consequences of this, if you have sitting senators who can make jokes about killing someone who may become president, what that does is embolden less stable, less invested people in this country to attack, to shoot, to possibly try to capture a voting location and that s a problem. trump is responsible for it. let s all remember, it didn t start with trump. jesse helms joked about the president being assassinated if he came to north carolina back when bill clinton was president. thanks for joining me. thank you, chris. still ahead, the state of the race eight days out, coming up. and the seagulls they ll be smilin and the rocks on the san it s so peaceful up here. yeah. 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if you have asked me any other political year, i would say yes. the only caveat to this is that this year and this particular candidate, djt, i try not to say his name, he s so peculiar and unique because he s a celebrity, he s dominated the media, because essentially created a party within a party. yep. and because he has no record in public office at all, which is weird. not a drop. not a drop. so some of our theories right now are on hold. that s an understatement. essentially, they are out of the window in some ways. we should say right now the polling average has clinton up in the three or four-point we have her by five, but, yeah. somewhere around there. with 300 plus electoral votes if the election were held today, my general feeling about the election has been that a lot of the moving up and down with donald trump has been it drifts away as he attacks a judge or has a feud with a gold-star family or boasts about sexual assault which is later confirmed by 12 women saying on the record he did similar things, but that that number it s like a rubber band. they want to come back because they are partisan force a reason and he s the republican nominee. that s exactly right. before this friday, october surprise ever broke, we saw trump moving up slightly in the polls before then. even if he does rise, we can t necessarily say it was because of this. it is because he was getting more republicans than he was before after he shut his mouth. the key dynamic, even when he comes up to that ceiling, that is not and if you talk to the data folks who think about this a lot, they just think they have more votes. they think that the obama coalition is a bigger coalition and if they identify those voters, turn them out, that they have the bigger slice of the pie. so, i m of multiple minds of this and this keeps me up at night. i do think hillary clinton, if we look at the electoral math, if we look at the states that she needs, i think my political science brain says she has them. if people turn out, not even at obama levels, if we ve taken the average from 1992 until the principle, i think she s pretty solid. the issue is, i wonder if these trump people, who are first-time voters, who have never been polled. right. i wonder if they will turn out and they are the noise that we actually haven t been listening to. and there s a lot of uncertainty here. exactly. yeah. and with hillary clinton in a lot of ways, less is more. so the less democrats see of her and the less independents see of her, the more they like her. and so in some ways that s been a strategy, to sort of keep her although, i would disagree in this way. the less coverage they see of her, they like her. the more they see her, the more they like her. she s great one on one and with crowds. it s the coverage of her. that s the point. we have scandal, drama. we have sort of this throwback to 1992 and it s all of the baggage that the clintons bring. the two biggest things that have happened from a polling perspective, the conventions, hillary clinton talking to you and the first debate, here s hillary clinton. so the best things for her have been her actually out there with sustained attention of her as a person and her candidacy and then it ebbs and it moves back in the direction. the e-mails are a proxy for distrust. right. the more information we get about these e-mails, independents are struck with the fact that but the question about that is one of the things we re seeing is how strong the partisan fundamentals are even in parsing the e-mail story at this late stage of the race. asked about the october surprise and you see in fact the clinton voters saying, no, we actually like her more. right. and that s the question, in the big uncertainty, how many persuadables are left, how much this stuff affects them and introduced by the johnson/stein the only reason donald trump has closed the gap in the last few weeks, it s not because hillary clinton dropped. it s because donald trump went out and that s always the number to look at. if he s consolidating the republican base. it s still not been enough. harry and christina, thank you for that. thanks. still to come, candid close accounts from those who work with donald trump and how they coax him away from angry tweets. and lower your ability to fight them. tell your doctor if you are being treated for an infection or have symptoms. or if you have received a vaccine or plan to. inflammatory bowel disease can happen with taltz. including worsening of symptoms. serious allergic reactions can occur. now s your chance at completely clear skin. just ask your doctor about taltz. 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[burke] hot dog. seen it. covered it. influenced him most, an eye for an eye. joining me is michael steele and benji. it s also not like hidden. he s very much explicit about the role that vengeance, retribution, you hit me, i hit you, it s central to the way he s conducted his campaign and his world view. this is part of what people like about donald trump and what donald trump thinks himself as his guiding principle. i m a counterpuncher, he ll say, you have to fight fire with fire, he ll say and applies this to so many different things, i thought it would be good to take this as the way it explains his view and politically he ll attack opponents viciously, coming up with some excuse saying they attacked him but also with a policy level, torture, taking out families of suspected terrorists. killing terrorist family members is quite illegal. yes. michael, the thing i keep thinking about it, there s this creation with donald trump s campaign how he went to the last correspondents dinner and the president dressed him down and poked fun at him and i ll get you back. you wonder how that s going to be directed at the republican party should he fall short or even if he doesn t fall short, if he wins, either way, you know, we saw kelly anne conway when tammy duckworth threw dirt on the grave. you ve got to think retribution is going to be on the mind after this election, win or loss, against the people he feels wronged him. i think you ve already seen some of that. i think we can gather, from benjy s piece, that donald trump is an old testament guy. and because he s an old testament guy and really is coming out of the world of an eye for an eye and sometimes that extends into a lot of things that it shouldn t. for example, you ve already seen just in the last few weeks where the trump campaign is like, you know, we re not raising any more money for the party. we re just not. and that s just not what you do. right. you know, with two or three weeks left in the presidential campaign. so there s some aspects of this where donald trump has had enough of the gop. he s been fed up with this as he would look at them sort of elitists, weak-minded leadership and sort of taking a strike out on his own to finish his campaign up on his terms in the way he wants to and that, again, is a slap in the face to the party. part of it, also, this other sort of aspect of his personality, the way that people who work for him talk about him. let me say that, for the record, that there s a sort of common theme like staffers on capitol hill, you have to manipulate them, pro us doers in cable news led to water. this is sort of a common sort of trope among people who have to staff folks but it s another level with the way that trump staff talks about him. i mean, everyone around him is always talking about trying to kind of get this completely unruly undisciplined person to do certain things. it seems like a condemnation of the temperament of the person you want to give the nuclear codes to. you need to cajole him with brownies. we re talking about the most powerful job in the world. every president can use a few brownies. that s true. it s not like this hasn t happened in other administrations. that s true. there s a baseline. yeah, there is. but i take your point this way because there is something about the difference that has been a stark one for donald trump. here s a guy who s basically done a lot in business and in the private sector on his own against the odds without a lot of people telling him how to do it and, quite frankly, not giving a damn what they thought about how he was doing it from when his dad said don t go to manhattan and it s like, yeah, right, i m going to manhattan. it shouldn t surprise us that you take this asymmetrical person who has never had to account to anyone other than himself and bring him into politics and we re asking why aren t you doing what we tell you to do? it doesn t work that way and the expectation that it ever would is a shame on us for thinking it. right. although, discipline, it matters in the white house. no, it does. it s not like he s being wild and out of control, right? it goes back to this theme. judge curiel it s retribution.
wall, paul. and the threats. he s been terrific. now if he ever goes against me, i won t say that, okay? when all in starts right now. good evening from new york. i m chris hayes. in 37 days donald trump will become president of these united states. we have breaking news tonight. two senior intelligence officials tell nbc news that russian president vladimir putin was involved in efforts to disrupt the u.s. presidential election. that conclusion is based on intelligence from diplomatic sources and others including spies working for america s allies. that comes on top of growing consensus in the intelligence community in the u.s. that russia was behind multiple large scale attacks on democratic institutions and operatives producing fodder for countless embarrassing and politically damaging stories at the height of the presidential election. the in the just had amazing reporting on the alleged scope of the russia cyber attacks which targeted the democratic national committee chairman podesta and also a dozen house candidates. regardless of whether russia meant to help elect trump is still among dispute among different agency, his government succeeded in influencing the outcome of the u.s. election. president obama has ordered a fuel review of the role in the election. there s now bipartisan support in the senate for some type of investigation. joining me national security reporter ken delany. and i guess my first response to this story was how could they possibly know this? so it seems, you know, explosive to say that putin was personally supervising this, but this is two intelligence officials off the record. there s some sort of grain of salt i always attach t anything, you know, anonymous from the intelligence community. how could they possibly know this? that s certainly a fair question, chris. thanks for having me, by the way. the short answer is we don t exactly know. but we know or were told that they are reviewing this information with high confidence. and we re told it s coming from liaisons, from other intelligence sources, people presumably with access to putin or the russian regime. that s all we know. so part of the story here is there s a forensic story about who did this and then there s a kind of whole chain, right, who did it, what was their connection to the russian state, how much were they how closely were they directed, there were some beginning theories that maybe this was just a rogue element or a bunch of people that got out over their skis and before you know it they re inside the dnc. this is all sort of a settling this chain is the work that the intelligence apparatus is doing right now. exactly. and we re sort of looking through an opaque glass trying to figure out through bits and pieces of reporting what exactly they know. and what you describe as the forensic case, which a private firm initially made is that, hey, the malware and the hacks that we re seeing into the democratic national committee can be traced back to these russian entities. that doesn t tell us anything about who was in the russian fairly general, but we re told that he was involved in directing how to use the leaked material, which is fairly specific. that is fascinating. ken dilanian. i m joined by ed mcmullen, a former cia operations officer. there s a crazy subtext that s happening here in terms of the intelligence agencies and the cia. donald trump s people seem to think that he s anti-donald trump and they have it out for him. what do you say to their people who say that? well, obviously, there s a natural conflict there. people at the cia understand what a threat vladimir putin are to global security and to the united states, to our security, to the integrity of our democratic system. and so they re opposed to what donald trump is trying to impose upon our country, which is a relationship with the very country that is undermining our democracy. i have to say with regard to whether putin would have directed this or not, of course he knew about it and of course it s a big, big deal in the kremlin and they re celebrating right now. are you part of the problem, right, is ascertaining the confidence that all these links in the chain are there, right? and again, this is you re shaking your head. you just think it s so obvious. it s just so look, i understand i come from this world so i understand how these things work and those of us in the intelligence community just know these things because we ve seen them play out in other situations. we know that russia does this in europe all the time. this is not a new strategy or a new playbook. this is what russia does to undermine democracies in europe. now they re doing it in the united states. it s the russian-backed trolls, it s the hacks, it s the support for the white nationalist, white supremacist movement. it s finding a country in a democratic country like ours that is sympathetic to the russian or the putin way of his authoritarianism and his white nationalism and all of this and promoting them through these other means. i mean, it s mr. playbook. and they did it here in the united states, it s clear. if this is the case, if this is what happened, what does this mean? it means that it means that, you know, our fragile democracy and it is fragile and we need to fight hard to keep it. our founders knew that would be the case. i think we re a little asleep at the wheel these days or have been as americans. it means that we as americans need to stand up and demand that our elected leaders in congress, and we must do the same, hold our system accountable, our elected representatives accountable and oppose donald trump s planned alignment with russia. there s a reason why we have opposed russia on the global stage. it s not arbitrary. russia is an adversary, the liberty, freedom and basic rights across the globe and here in the united states. and we have stood up to them with our partners, with our allies, our free allies in europe and it s important that we continue to do that for the cause of liberty here and abroad. do you think that the president of the united states should say something on the record about all this? well, he has said some things and i think certainly at a time when he judges it to be the right time, he should. we need leadership in the country especially on this issue. i imagine that he s dealing with a lot of very sensitive considerations, very classified considerations that it s hard for you and i sitting here to make a judgment about what he should say or shouldn t say. certainly, we need leadership. certainly the american people need information. i ll say that i think our electors they deserve to be briefed on what they can be briefed on with regard to what russian has done in the election and in related ways since then. so they need all the information they can get so that they can perform their constitutional duties. let me ask you this. you know, there s a statement, this sort of extraordinary statement. i don t think i ve ever seen anything like it in the time i ve been coveri politics. after the reporting had broken that basically late friday night that the cia had come to this conclusion that this was done and not just done to kind of create mischief but explicitly for this electoral outcome to beat hillary clinton and the president-elect put out a statement that says these are the people that got iraq wrong and i had this you re grimacing even at that statement. i mea you work for the cia. what is that relationship like now? the president-elect has called war on them, called them out. what is that going to be like? it s going to be a very troubled relationship. but the american people end up being the losers. i m not sure if donald trump had the information that the cia would give him or wants to give him, if that would make him make wise decisions. i m not sure it would. so i don t know. maybe it s a wash. but look, i ll tell you, americans need to understand this. the cia gives advice to senior policymakers. the president, of course, included chief among them. and does a variety of assessments every day all day long. hundreds of them. that s the reality. and they deal in an uncertain world, the world we live in. and that s why we have them. we have them to connect the dots. sometimes they re not right. most of the time they are. because they re very they re very conscientious and conservative in the assessments they make most of the time. now, people talk about mistakes that are made and times they were wrong, those are the times when things become well known, but assessments that they make every day tend to be correct. for a president to say i don t want any of that, is just reckless and just plain stupid. evan mcmullin. much more ahead on this and other stuff. knew today we also got big news from the man who will be running the security apparatus. retired general michael flynn generosity is its own form of power. get your mind out of the gutter. mornings are for coffee and contemplation. that was a really profound observation. you got a mean case of the detox blues. don t start a war you know you re going to lose. finally you can now find all of netflix in the same place as all your other entertainment. on xfinity x1. who donald trump has named as his national security adviser. that s not a position that requires senate confirmation unless trump rescinds the offer flynn will be his national security whisperer in the white house. today s news puts what flynn said on the campai trail and in the republican national convention in a different light. when he called on hillary clinton to drop out of the race because she, quote, put our nation s security at extremely high risk. lock her up. lock her up. [ crowd chanting lock her up. ] you guys are good. damn right. exactly right. there s nothing wrong with that. [ crowd chanting lock her up ] and you know why? you know why we re saying that? we re saying that because if i, a guy who knows this business, if i did a tenth, a tenth of what she did, i would be in jail today. this was, of course, the trump campaign s main attack on clinton, particularly in the campaign s final days, this idea that she belonged in jail because she used private e-mail servers as secretary of state potentially compromising classified information and putting national security at risk. didn t matter. the fbi investigated the matter, concluded no charges should be filed. trump threatened to jail her if elected. and those lock her up chants became a staple of the politics. the washington post reporting that michael flynn who again helped lead those locker up chants was the subject of a secret u.s. military information in 2010 that determined that flynn inappropriately shared classified information with foreign military officers in afghanistan. flynn was not disciplined because investigators concluded he didn t act knowingly and ultimately didn t damage national security. but of course, the fbi came to a not dissimilar determination about hillary clinton. and flynn, knowing what he knew, still called for her to be thrown in jail. we reached out today to the house oversight and government reform chair jason chaffetz to see if he would investigate flynn for risking classified information as vigorously as he did clinton. we did not hear back. this is not the first red flag for flynn that has stated his views. he tweeted about clinton s involvement in sex crimes involving children. jeanne shaheen and richard blumenthal have requested an official review of flynn s security clearance citing today s report in a separate incident in which he disclosed information to pakistan and that he, and i m quoting, had technicians secretly install an internet connection in his pentagon office even though it was forbidden. he s become the main funnel for security information to a president who you ll recall has been skipping his intelligence briefings because, as trump said, i m like a smart person. joining me now, michael steele, former chair of the republan national committee. the lock her up thing, i mean, it s amazing the parallels, right? yeah. so hillary clinton does this thing that violates protocol. she s investigating. the finding is, yeah, she violated protocol but she didn t knowingly compromise national security, she s okay. but the argument was that she knowingly violated that protocol right. and general flynn did the same thing. no. they said he did not know he had violated this protocol. and that s the difference. you think it s perfectly fine that the one-tenth rule here that he leads lock her up chants at the rnc for a woman who has been cleared by the fbi. right. who says even after being cleared by the fbi the political opponent should be put in prison despite the fact that he did this and he also had a secret internet connection installed in his pentagon office. yeah, well, look, i can t speak to all of that in terms of what he did while he was in the office, but i can speak to the politics of being at a national convention and getting in that fired-up space and using that chant. we all know that that chant was not one of the best chants out there because it doesn t speak to who we are as americans. we don t lock people up as political prisoners, per se. well, who knows, right? and we re not. and we re not. come on, stop it. but michael, let me ask you this, if you had to bet after election day that you would still hear lock her up after trump had won, at a rally in wisconsin, doesn t that surprise you? no, it doesn t. no, it doesn t. because the carryover from this election goes beyond what we ve seen in the past. the voters in this election cycle have been more fervent than we ve seen in a generation in terms of their passion to make their decision stick. and they feel and to imprison their political enemies. no, i don t think they re talking literally at this point. donald trump himself has said that s not going to happen. he s not going to do that. so i think that that is sort of rehashing some of that passion and that fervor and that spirit. now, you know, again, we re still waiting. i think a lot of people are. to see how donald trump does message that transition that he s talked about wanting to do with the american people on these subjects. and whether or not he does that at the inauguration, whether he does that between now and then or immediately afterwards remains to be seen, but that s going to be up to him whether or not that chant has any more legs beyond this moment. let me ask you about leon panetta because flynn s got obviously the guy who seems to have trump s ear on intelligence. trump saying he s not taking these intelligence briefings, he s a smart guy, doesn t want to hear the same thing every day. this is what leon panetta said. if the intelligence official had indications or information regarding that attack and the president did not want to listen to that, for whatever reason, the responsibility for that would go on the president. i think that s fair. i think donald trump needs to revisit that line of thinking. no one is questioning your smarts here, sir. no one is questioning your ability to digest the information. yes, you know what, being president is boring as hell because you got to sit down and do the hard work. i mean, it s hard. no one appreciates that unless you ve been in that space and understand what those individuals go through. those briefings are there for a reason. and i would really hope that the president-elect would take to heart the sincerity and the importance of doing that because stuff happens. minutia happens. little things happen in the spate of hours while you rest that make a difference on the decisions you make the next day. and it s important that you understand what that minutia is so that you can make the right decisions. it s funny you say this. it s almost like you re saying details matter which is something one of the presidential candidates said. michael steele. you got it, buddy. aleppo, syria, has become synonymous with war-torn misery particularly over the last several months. it was once a bustling metropolis. so much so that a travel piece in the new york times we discovered old homes transformed into small hotels or restaurants with the cuisine some of the most memorable i ve tasted in the middle east. these are images of syria s largest city with its open air markets and bustling town squares and ancient landmarks, a mix of east and west, people lived together in relative peace though under the thumb of the assad regime. one of the oldest continuously inhabited cities in the world. this is what aleppo looks like today. described by france s u.n. ambassadors a, quote, the worst humanitarian trgedy of the 21st century. those loyal to assad and militias have all but crushed anti-government rebels. the u.n. human rights office has cited accounts of women and children being burned alive and families choosing suicide over surrender. we should note independent var fick kags of these accounts is impossible at this moment. rebel fighters were due to leave aleppo as part of a cease-fire agreement. however air strikes continued trapping tens of thousands of civilians. late this afternoon several news outlets began reporting the cease-fire agreement was back on. u.s. ambassador to the united nations samantha power addressed the crisis in aleppo yesterday. to the assad regime, russia and iran, your forces and proxies are carrying out these crimes. your barrel bombs and mortars anair strikes have allowed the militia in aleppo to encircle tens of thousands of civilians in your ever-tightening noose. it is your noose. three member states of the u.n. contributing to a noose around civilians. are you truly incapable of shame? is there literally nothing that can shame you? joining me now correspondent for nbc news. everything that i ve seen out of aleppo is just horrifying in the extreme. you have civilians. it s been under siege for a long time. they re now trapped. there s fear there will be retributions that rape will be used as a tool of war they will be burned slaughtered and killed. is there anything that can be done in the microsense to ensure the safety of those individuals there? wow, that s a million dollar question. i think samantha power and others would probably be better suited to answer that question from a diplomatic perspective. anything short of an international intervention on humanitarian grounds whether it be from neighboring countries or the united nations if they can come to some kind of consensus, i don t see anything slowing down the syrian government or its russian allies or its proxy fighters through the iranians and others. they ve made very clear they re going to continue with this assault until they have, in their eyes, liberated the city from what they describe as terrorists. obviously the opposition groups and the rebel groups are saying this is going to amount to a genocide because the reports that are coming out of there based on these activists account is what you describe, nothing short of massacres, nothing short of, you know, what they re saying is genocide. and i have to say that the reporters that i trust in that part of the world who i don t think are propagandists who are closest and approximate to what s happening there, does really seem to be horrendous. they don t just put it out there very quickly. they try to verify it. i ve been in touch with a lot of people at amnesty international who through their own work on the ground are trying to verify these accounts, speaking to people, a lot are making their way out to turkey. they re getting first person accounts of what is happening and what they re seeing. the assad regime reuniting the kind of spine of the most populated cities in syria. and the war really turned around when russian intervention became more muscular. i think that s a fair thing to say. you can actually make the argument that the war turned around when the united states didn t follow its red line policy. when the united states had drawn the red line and there was that chemical attack by the syrian government on some of the rebel positions, at that point the russians, backed by hezbollah fighters on the ground, the iranians sending their cash and other resource, it changed overnight, you could see that unfolding on the ground. people are addressing them to putin, to russia. they see themselves as much under siege by russia in fact, it was russia announcing today their ambassador to the u.n. was saying that essentially we have taken back aleppo. and we ll be ceasing military operations. this war was won and lost in the air. there s only one major superpower in the air and that s the russian air force. the americans and all the other countries that fought were bombing isis held territories to the east. the russians and the syrian air force barrel bombed and attacked rebel held areas. and the russian complicity in what has been described as war crimes and massacres, huge amounts of civilian deaths, young kids are being covered in dust inned or to be presented as victims of bombings. they ve been waging this propaganda campaign that everything you see is the propaganda of anti-assad forces. if you monitor syrian state television, which i do. you ll see that they re presenting a different picture. they re showing as the syrian army moves in, they re greeted by the local as liberators. thank you, you saved us from this terror. there s no doubt that propaganda is an element of this war, but what you re seeing, even the images put out by the russian various news agencies that are working, the syrian military footage, it shows complete destruction of the eastern part of the aleppo. it is something apocalyptic. annihilation. look at that. why does russia care so much? i think for two reasons. one, they have the naval base. but i don t think that s enough for them to get involved. i think this is geopolitics, this is russia saying to the americans you cannot just run shot in the middle east. we had a country that was a very close ally to us. that is our proxy. we ll intervene and fight in there. russia has an interest in keeping the presidency of assad, particularly iran, because they want that conduit to get through hezbollah for creating that regional umbrella between them and israel if they were ever to have a confederation of military activities. that s one of the reasons why iran is invested in preserving the regime of assad. and russia wants to protect him as well. a lot of terrified, desperate, hungry, embattled people in aleppo at this moment. let me remind all of you the senate intelligence committee on which i and the chairman of the committee sit are conducting a complete review of this matter. i m joined by dick durban, democrat from illinois. let me start by asking what you want to see done. what are you calling for in response to what we now know appear to be rusan government-backed hackers interfering in the election? . let s not minimize the gravity of this charge. that a foreign government tried to influence the election in the united states of america is serious business. if we discovered that some foreign country had spent million of doors secretly in the campaign, yeed be outraged. turns out what the russians are accused of doing is even worse. trying to disclose information from e-mails and other sources and influencing the outcome of the campaign. what we need is a bipartisan select committee that takes this charge as seriously as it should. bipartisan select committee, your colleague ben cardin called for something modeled on the 9/11 committee. there s been resistance from republican colleagues who want to just go through the regular intelligence committee in the senate or the house. why is a regular committee investigation of this not sufficient? i can just tell you that that doesn t reach the level of seriousness, and i think the dedication of our government to getting to the bottom of this is critically important. let s put aside who won the election, how they won the election. let s understand what happened here. we have credible information from our top intelligence agencies that the government of russia tried to influence the outcome of the united states election. that is a serious charge. and it shouldn t be routine business in the intelligence committees of the senate and the house. do you think the intelligence committees have come to a consensus conclusion on the motivation as of now? it seems like the cia believes it was actively trying to help donald trump become elected. there s some dissension on whether that was the motivation. what is your belief? i don t know anything more than reported in the papers, and that s the reason why we need this serious inquiry. i had eight other senators join me in a letter to mr. clapper the other day asking to disclose as much as possible unclassified information before january 20th, calling on the attorney general to initiate an investigation into the department of justice as well with professional longtime employees at the department of justice. i think it s reached that level of seriousness, and i hope that the new president as well as the new leaders in congress, both republicans, will take it as seriously themselves. what is the president-elect s responsibility on this issue in your mind? you have to understand our relationship with russia. it s a mixed relationship. when it came to the iran nuclear agreement, russia played a positive role. when it comes to what they re doing in ukraine, we are resisting them and imposing sanctions. so this is a country and a leader that we have to watch very carefully. and the fact that they would try to interject themselves into an election where mr. trump during the course of the election was saying positive things about mr. putin is worrisome to everyone, at least it should be. let s get to the bottom of it. this kind of cyber warfare in the political realm is unacceptable in a democracy and the united states has to get to the bottom of it. based on the reporting that you ve read and there s that long new york times piece which is quite revealing, do you think that the current president, president obama did enough to sort of sound the alarms about this while it was happening during the election? well, you have to take care. with the exception of jim comey s statement 11 days before the election, you really tried to take care of the last month of the election not to tip the balance one way or the other. that isn t fair to the candidates who were involved in the race here. i m sure what president obama felt is they get to the bottom of this, they bring the information together and a serious information would follow. so i don t know all the moves made by this administration, but i can understand why they didn t want to try to tip the scales on this presidential race. do you think the alleged russian interference which is the consensus view that it was russia of the various intelligence agencies, there seems to be pretty good evidence of that, do you think that tips the scales, that would be decisive in the outcome of this election? i can t honestly answer that. no one can. but apparently they were selective in the e-mails they hacked into and disclosed to the public trying to put out as much bad information as they could about hillary clinton and her campaign. they knew who they wanted to elect and it wasn t hillary clinton. so there was an effort under way. how much did it influence in an election decided by 80,000 voters in three stat, who can tell out of the millions of votes cast? senator dick durbin of illinois, thank you for joining me and appreciate it. thank you. donald trump puts 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loss of hearing or vision, or an allergic reaction, stop taking cialis and get medical help right away. ask your doctor about cialis. last night house speaker paul ryan was met with boos when he took the stage, a rally with donald trump in front of christmas trees. when trump himself got on stage a few minutes later and mentioned ryan, the crowd booed again. trump tried to stop it mostly. speaker paul ryan, i ve really come to a oh, no, i ve come to appreciate him. speaker paul ryan. where is the speaker? where is he? he has been i ll tell you, he s been terrific. and you know, honestly? he s like a fine wine. every day goes by, i get to appreciate his genius more and more. now, if he ever goes against me, i m not going to say that, okay? he s a great guy. and we have some amazing things in store. and we re going to work on taxes, we re going to work on obamacare. we re going to work on things, and he s going to lead the way. so thank you. we re going to work on the wall, paul. joining me now, former campaign manager for mitt romney and an msnbc contributor. that was kind of an amazing moment. it felt like a ritual humiliation. donald trump, let s just be clear who is calling the shots here. yeah, it did sort of feel like that. but make no mistake, paul ryan is very, very popular in wisconsin. he might not be particularly popular with the people that show up for a big trump rally, but he wins overwhelmingly in his district and has very high approval ratings in the state of wisconsin. just a strange dynamic that goes on there with the people that attend a trump rally. but he doesn t i totally agree with you, this is a self-selecting crowd. but the broader question is what is the political calculus for republicans if and when they go against donald trump? and this applies to a million different things. whether donald trump does something that flagrantly violates the constitution or just does something that they don t like from a policy perspective, what political price will they pay? it s a very, very high price to pay because trump and his hard core supporters tend to bring a gun to a knife fight. and a lot of politicians aren t really prepared for that kind of battle. so they re going to look at this very, very carefully. they re not going to just casually walk into a big battle with donald trump. and it can be a little bit hard to predict what the battles that he decides to wage. so there s going to be a lot of walking on egg shells come 2017. i think that s well said. interesting he said we re working on obamacare. clearly mitch mcconnell is champing at the bit for that as well as paul ryan, some sort of obamacare repeal. cut taxes, which i think mcconnell and ryan are excited about as well. then the wall, paul, we re going to work on the wall. that s where it s going to be very interesting to see how these different things get ordered and what moves through that congress first and how much it s paul ryan and how much it s donald trump. and also and what does that mean? because even donald trump in some of his officials have walked back a little bit from their comments during the campaign about a wall. there s been talk about well, maybe it s not a physical wall. maybe it s a virtual wall. what we ve seen is that there are a lot of issues where donald trump feels very comfortable kind of walking back from the really heated rhetoric of the campaign and saying, well, that s not exactly what i meant. you take me too literally. we ll see if what he ultimately proposes is a giant physical structure between the u.s. and mexico. can you imagine a scenario in which there is actually an out in the open fight? i mean, i m really curious about how long this sort of we re all on the same team is going to last, for two reasons. one is i think there are different policy preferences. different political objectives. i wonder at what point the normal rules of political gravity start to apply. donald trump is the least popular president-elect in the history of recent polling. he s defied it for the entirety of the campaign. maybe he ll continue to do that forever. maybe. i don t know. no one knows. but you wonder whether marginal house members start to worry if that continues. and the challenge that he s going to face come january is that he s used to being a ceo that just calls the shots. and he did that during the campaign. he was able to trust his gut during the campaign. but that s not how our government is set up. our government is set up to have a system of checks and balances. he s going to have to win the approval from a majority in the house and the senate. and, you know, it s not always going to be easy saing as you mention on all of these issues. the first time like you said, gun to a knife fight. the first time he doesn t get his way he ll be on twitter calling whoever blocked him out publicly and that s when, you know, that s when we ll see how this all shakes out. well, and as i know somebody that opposed trump in the primaries, his supporters can be very vitriolic and very threatening. there will be stories about that as they rise to his defense. katie packer, thanks. thanks. the agency that stood up to the trump administration and won. more on that ahead. plus inauguration planning reaches new levels of desperation. it s tonight s thing 1, thing 2. consideration this year. also, many school bands in the surrounding counties opted not to apply to participate in trump s inauguration. local universities also did not apply. and it s not just local bands. the trump inaugural committee is also reportedly having trouble finding a-list celebrities to perform at any of the inaugural events. as of today there s only one entertainer who is definitely booked to perform. that s singer jackie evancho who rose to popularity on tv. i have recently been asked by the president-elect to perform the national anthem for the swearing-in ceremony at the inauguration. and i m so excited. it s going to be awesome. incredibly exciting. that is so far jackie evancho, the only performer who is definitely playing a trump inauguration gig. with just 37 days until the inauguration to go, the committee in charge of finding more performers is reportedly getting pretty desperate. thing 2, according to the rap, president-elect donald trump s team is struggle so hard to book a-list performers, it offered ambassadorships to at least two talent bookers if they could deliver marquee names. the first insider said he was shocked at the proposal, never in a million years have i heard something so crazy, he said. that was the moment i almost dropped the phone. the second insider said he was offered a government post including an ambassadorship if he could wrangle an artist. trump s team deny the report. there is no truth to this insinuation, committee spokesman boris epstein. first class entertainers are eager to participate in the events. inauguration will be an exciting uniting celebration of democracy. also keep an eye on those ambassador announcements. the trump transition team virtually knocking on doors at the department of energy to find out who in the civil service did something they re duty-bound to do as part of their jobs, go to meetings and work on it as part of the obama administration. then something amazing happened. the bureaucrats at the department of energy said no. on the question of providing names, energy officials resolutely rejected the request while reassuring workers. and here s the most amazing thing. it looks like they won for now. the trump transition team saying in a statement, the questionnaire was not authorized or part of our standard protocol. the person who sent it has been properly counseled. this is stunning considering the only other real backtrack from the trump transition team was firing general michael flynn s son, michael g. flynn, for tweeting fake news about pizzagate on the day a man with a gun showed up to the pizzeria in question. now the transition team has backed off demanding names of energy department employees involved in climate change work. climate science is already so threatened by the incoming administration that scientists are literally copying u.s. climate data fearing it might vanish under president trump. one of those trying to protect vital data is ben houlton, director of the john muir institute. i saw this story today and it struck me. first, what exactly are you doing? it s a great question. i don t think there s any way the sugarcoat it that the climate science community is hurt and feeling rejected by the president-elect trump s moves. it s almost as if trump is cooking up this amazing thanksgiving meal and we re over at the kid table. we want to be at the adult table. why do we want to be there? we want to be there to share the good news that climate change is a job creator. responding with climate solutions gives rise to all sorts of economic opportunities for people in this country. we don t want to miss out on that. as a community we re coming together to develop new cooperative ways to get that message out to the public, to make sure that they understand that this is about them, this is about their future, and it s about the here and now. okay. i get the positive message here. but what you re doing, i understand, is copying data that you re afraid that an incoming administration would either manipulate or delete? i can t speak to that general issue since i myself am not involved in copying those data, but i am trying to make sure that we protect climate science in every way possible. being in california, we have this tremendous opportunity to work with our local government here, with governor brown and the university of california system we re seeing this ground level upswell of climate scientists coming together and basically recognizing that we need to be empowered. and this is a call to arms. this is a call to action for us to develop new ways to make sure that we re protecting climate research for people on the planet. that s what we care most about. how important is the federal government and people in the civil service to the things that we know about the climate? i mean, how much of that is coming from a federal government that will now be run by someone who has said that it s all a chinese hoax? it s true that the federal government plays a huge role especially when you look at the paris agreement but also in the sort of knowledge of climate change that s what i mean, the data. absolutely. how much are we dependent on different people in the federal government whether it s the stuff we have at noaa, whether the obseratory we have at hawaii, what nasa does, how much depends on the federal government? a tremendous amount of it does. that s under threat right now. so if you look at nasa or noaa or the u.s. geological survey. they re providing all sorts of climate data that can help us provide solutions to grow food without those crops failing because of climate change and so on and so forth. it is under threat. we do this as a superimportant message that we hope president-elect trump understands. climate science is vital to national security. how under threat it is? i guess we haven t been in these territories before. but how much could it be the case that a new administration would just say to the department of energy or the epa, yeah, we re just going to get rid of all of these parts of the government that do all these readings that produce this, what we believe is a hoax? i mean, it s certainly hard to quantify exact what that would look like and to the extent that the executive can kind of come in and determine these things, but you know, this isn t without precedent when bush two came to ourself, there was an assault on climate change at that time. we were able to get through that time period by local, state action. we re hoping we can do the same now. but this is a national treasure. i would hope everyone in your audience understands that climate science is a treasure for our kids, for our planet and for our future. you have colleagues at uc davis who are actually doing this sort of copying of data. to folks that hear that, how under the gun do the people in your community and i know a lot of climate scientists who already feel under the gun, frankly, because they spent their life working on this. how under the gun do you feel right now? look, i ve had more conversations with climate scientists. and what are climate scientists, they re lawyer, doctors, every member of ow society has a stake. we re all coming together in new ways at uc davis in particular we re developing a new initiative to connect people across all disciplines. all right. but climate change doesn t know politics. when the sea level rises, it doesn t decide to go to a democrat or republican house. right. we need to really make sure this is understood by the broader public. all right.
at today s sessions hearing. the equivalent of being made to go to the back of the bus. major holes in tillerson s sanctuary. were we lobbying before or against? i m a germaphobe, believe me. when all in starts right now. good evening from new york, i m chris hayes. there are just nine days until donald trump becomes president of the united states. today we were inundated with news, much of it disturbing, about what to expect when he takes office. in fact there was so much news today it is, frankly, impossible for us to fully cover what we saw and heard, which may well have been the point. we are going to aggressively cover the issues we have deemed most important and they are big ones. among them, the president-elect evoking nazi germany to characterize u.s. intelligence agencies, offering kind words to the russians who the intelligence community believe hacked the dnc and clinton campaign. trump s secretary of state pick exxonmobil ceo rex tillerson possibly lying under oath at his confirmation hearing about exxonmobil lobbying against russian sanctions and an impassioned and unprecedented plea from a sitting senator, cory booker, to reject trump s attorney general nominee senator jeff sessions over his record on civil rights. but we begin with the story we believe to be most important at this pivotal moment and what this day with as about. the nearly incomprehensible set of conflicts of interest that result from refusing to relinquish ownership of a multibillion dollar organizations that is engaged with businesses and countries around the world, the full scope of which we still don t know. that s because trump refuses to release his tax returns. well, i m not showing tax returns, as you know, they re under audit. reporter: every president since the 70s has had an irs. i ve never heard that. you know, the only ones who care about my tax returns are the prevented from doing so so there is no way of knowing whether they were genuine documents or just phony visual aids like the supposed trump steaks that trump showed off last march which turned out to have been purchased from a south florida meat company and still had the labels on them to prove it. to explain the steps he took, trump brought to the stage attorney sheri dillon whose lau firm won the 2016 law firm of the year. she said trump is not liquidating his assets because doing so could lead to unreasonable losses for trump and this is simply too high a burden. the approach we ve outlined today will avoid potential conflicts of interest or concerns regarding exploitation of the office of the presidency without imposing unnecessary and unreasonable losses on the president-elect and his family. that position prompted this response from the head of the office of government ethics independent trustee as oge has advised him to do. he did not deal with his emoluments clause problems, the unconstitutional flows of funds and other benefits from foreign governments and their agents. what he announced with his children is more like an ethics sieve, full of holes. so he gets f across the board. i should say that walter shaub gave a remarkable speech, we exerted some of it. he basically agreed with you, norm, this is not my area of expertise. mr. painter, what about the argument that was made explicitly by the president-elect s lawyer that forcing divestiture would essentially cost the president-elect too much money. that it would be too painful, too large, to unreasonable a financial sacrifice? well, in the bush administration as the chief ethics lawyer i worked with a lot of incoming cabinet officials who sold off assets and left money on the table, stock options and other money, and, yes, it cost them money to enter public service. i took a substantial pay cut to go work in the white house. that s what public service is all about. i am thrilled to have a president who has friends all over the world who will offer him $2 billion and so forth, that s great, but that s got to stop as of january 20. he s got to focus on being president and this is business is worth a lot to him but i m sure he could sell it off for a couple of million dollars which is plenty of money for him, but this government everyday spends more money than that business is probably worth and he is in charge of it as president of the united states. he s got to focus on his job and walter shaub s job at the office of government ethics is to advise government officials including the president on complying with a conflict of interest standard and walter is exactly right. there has been a political war against the office of government ethics this week conducted by super pacs and against walter in particular, trying to line him up for getting fired by the president or something like that and i have said this at the brookings institution this afternoon. if there s a saturday night massacre aatoge, we won t stand for that in the united states and we won t stand for a president who would tolerate that. this is an independent agency that implements ethics laws in the executive branch. walter shaub has a job to do and he is doing it and it s time for the president to focus on his job and to divest for those business enterprises instead of attacking the office of government ethics. i should note the saturday night massacre a reference to the attempted firing of key department of justice officials by richard nixon which essentially was the end of the end. well, they did fire them, they got down to robert bourque who would take care of the job for them. but that s not going to happen and we won t let that happen in this administration unless president trump wants to go the sa way nixon went. those are strong words and i want to talk about i ll let you you gentlemen referred to as a constitutional crisis, which you, ambassador, referred to. it bans emoluments for american officials. sheri dillon issued kind of fro from the bench her constitutional ruling, quite clear about what is and is not an an emolument. here s what she had to say. since president-elect trump some people want to define emoluments to cover routine business transactions like paying for hotel rooms. they prevent what the president-elect isn t aware of. these people are wrong. you re wrong ambassador is that correct? like many of her client s tweets and statements, it s tolly incorrect. the emoluments clause, it s a fancy 18th century word. all it s intended to say is that presidents of the united states cannot get cash and other benefits from foreign governments and you can understand why that would be a coern, how cane know if somebody s getting these $2 llion offers. right. let s say that came from a foreign government. we don t know if a foreign government was involved in that or not. how can we know they re doing what s in the best interest of the united states? the founders were very concerned about that. they put this in the constitution and donald trump is allowing all of that to continue. it s absolutely shocking. ambassador norm eisen and richard painter, gentlemen, you have been really, really helpful in understanding and navigating all this and i thank you for your time tonight. thank you, chris. still to come, filmmaker michael moore with his reaction to the slights, vendettas and unanswered questions from the president-elect s first press conference. as that press conference was going on, we got our first chance to hear trump s pick for secretary of state and his somewhat inconsistent views about russia. we ll dive into the rex tillerson hearing ahead. let me ask you this question is vladimir putin a war criminal? i would not use that term. well, let me describe the situation in aleppo and perhaps that will help you reach that conclusion. 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no, i didn t see anything that changed my mind. in fact, chris, i saw several things that deepened the concerns that we expressed about senator sessions, we ve been familiar with him since 1985 when lawyers at the naacp legal defense fund represented three civil rights activists, two of whom had been close friends of martin luther king who senator sessions prosecuted when he was u.s. attorney in alabama. they were acquitted but that prosecution had long-standing affects on that community in terms of intimidating black voters who were questioned by the fbi and who senator sessions allowed to be intimidated by members of his team. so we ve known him and his record for a long time. what i heard yesterday was in my view what is a very cynical effort to dismiss a record of over 40 years senator sessions has been a u.s. attorney, the attorney general of alabama for about two years and then the a united states senator and in that time we ve had an opportunity to see where he stands on a variety of civil rights issues. he was rejected, as you know, by the senate judiciary committee in 1986 when he sought to become a federal district judge because they found that the evidence of that prosecution and statements he was accused of making made him unsuited to be a federal district judge. yesterday he said he was wrongly characterized, you can find our report on our web site that starts looking not only from 1985 but up to this century and 2017, including during the campaign of president-elect trump where senator sessions was a close ally and was the first sitting senator to endorse president-elect trump. i want to talk about one specific area that i ve been following myself for a book i wrote and something you and i have spoken about, which is policing. particularly because this justice department under president obama i would say, particularly in the second term, has played a muscular role in the civil rights division in patterns and practices investigations of cities from chicago to cleveland to baltimore to ferguson and consent decrees that are federal efforts to reform policing externally for localities that have proven to be unable to do that for themselves. here s what senator sessions had to say about those consent decrees today. take a listen. it s a difficult thing for a city to be sued by the department of justice and to be told that your police department is systematically failing to serve the people of the state or the city. so that s an august responsibility of the dow jonat general and the department of justice so they often feel forced to agree to a consent decree just to remove that stigma. that was obviously yesterday. what do you make of that answer? well, i think you have to combine it with even more testimony yesterday, the fact he was endorsed by the fraternal order of police, there was a phalanx of law enforcement there to support him yesterday and the head of the fraternal order of police testified on his behalf today and they all essentially said the same thing, and what they said and what i heard out of the mouth of senator sessions is that he intends to be a champion of local police, that he does not believe the federal government through the department of justice should be intruding in local policing matters. he said specifically he thinks that too many people, including the department, are paintin entire place departments as being engaged in unconstitutional conduct when in fact it s just a few officers, a few bad apples, something we ve heard before. we he s a proponent of that view. he has been skeptical about consent decrees for many years, not just recently. but what we heard from him at this hearing makes me quite certain that senator sessions, if he is confirmed, will be taking a very different tack on policing reform. i do not expect pattern and practice investigations, i do not expect consent decree. i hope he will continue work of the cops office that works on retraining police departments but that remains to be seen. i was not encouraged by what i heard from his lips yesterday and what i heard today. as you know, local practices like in ferguson, it was the department of justice that discovered this kind of pyramid scheme that ferguson was running, it was department of justice that discovered unconstitutional policing in baltimore and we need to department of justice to be engaged in that activity. those patterns and practices report which is you can find on line are remarkable reading produced by that same department that the senator would be running, sherrilyn ifill, thank you for your time. thank you, chris. up next, nine days away from his inauguration, president-elect donald trump escalated his feud with his own intelligence agencies by and i m not making this up comparing them to nazis. that story after the short break. just thinking about it? 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[burke] it happened. december 14th, 2015. and we covered it. talk to farmers. we know a thing or two because we ve seen a thing or two. we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum trump referring to an unverified dossier containing embarrassing claims about his alleged ties to russia which was prepared by a third-party individual, not members of the intelligence community, and published not by the intelligence community but by buzzfeed news. that came after the president-elect opened his press conference with a broadside against american intelligence officials whom he blames for talking to the press. i want to thank a lot of the news organizations here today because they looked at that nonsense that was released by maybe the intelligence agencies, who knows but maybe the intelligence agencies which would be a tremendous blot on their record if they, in fact, did that, a tremendous blot. and in a particularly astonishing moment, frankly, the president-elect admitted openly to setting traps for the intelligence community in an attempt to find out whether they ve been leaking about his classified briefings. i said maybe it s my office. maybe my office. and what i did is i said i won t tell anybody, i m going to have a meeting and i won t tell anybody about my meeting with intelligence, nobody knew, not even ronne, my executive assistant for years. she didn t know. i didn t tell her. the meeting was had, the meeting was over, they left and immediately the word got out that i had a meeting. now based on the reporting over the past few weeks and admittedly it s a lot of anonymous sources and hard to make sense of it s clear at least a significant portion of the american intelligence apparatus appears to believe that the incoming president of the united states, their future boss is potentially the turned asset of a foreign adversary and at the same time that same man, the president-elect, seems to think that the intelligence apparatus is out to destroy him politically by staging a kind of soft coup. it s a recipe for a major constitutional crisis in the very near future. and the urinar. tell your doctor about your medicines, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, or adempas® for pulmonary hypertension, as this may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcohol in excess. to avoid long-term injury, get medical help right away for an erection lasting more than four hours. if you have a sudden decrease or loss of hearing or vision, or an allergic reaction, stop taking cialis and get medical help right away. ask your doctor about cialis. today for the first time. trump s response to the election hacks, the claims of ties between his inner circle and the kremlin and his general stance towards russia all make up at this point the single most controversial aspect of the president-elect s foreign policy. so it was fitting that today while trump was giving his press conference, his nominee for secretary of state, rex tillerson, was testifying in his first confirmation hearing on capitol hill. tillerson has had extensive contact with the russian government as the ceo of exxonmobil, even winning russia s order of friendship award in 2013 after making a half trillion deal with the government-owned oil company. asked about russia s role in the election, he sounded a somewhat different note than his would be boss. do you believe during the 2016 presidential campaign russia intelligence services directed a campaign of active measures involving the hacking of e-mails, the strategic leak of these e-mails, the use of internet trolls and the dissemination of fake news? i did read the interagency report released on january 6. that report clearly is troubling and indicates that all of the actions you just described were undertaken. senator bob menendez, a democrat, asked whether tillerson s responses reflect the views of the president-elect himself. i assume to some degree you ve had some discussion about what it is that that world view is going to be in order to understand whether you re willing to execute that on behalf of the person you re going to work for. in a broad construct in terms of the principles that are going to guide that, yes, sir. i would have thought russia would be at the top of that considering the actions taking place, is that did that not happen? that has not occurred yet, senator. that s pretty amazing. senator menendez asked tillerson about his company s history of opposing economic sanctions including those leveed against russia for its invasion of crimea. this was the response. first, i have never lobbied against sanctions personally. the company you directed did. to my knowledge exxon never lobbied against sanctions, not to my knowledge. new jersey senator bob menendez. shortly after that your colleague senator corker said mr. tillerson i believe you called me to lobby against sanctions. later in the committee meeting you then pulled out the lobbying disclosure forms that showed exxon had filed disclosure forms to lobby on sanctions. do you believe that mr. tillerson was being deceptive with you today? well, he was either avoiding the truth or his management style has got to be ofoncern as he seeks to head one of the biggest departments of the federal government, the state department, not only with its operations here but across the world. it s impossible to almost believe that you could spend and direct millions of dollars in bobbying activities as those reports that i submitted for the record show and not know that was happening and not know they were lobbying against sanctions. the second thing he said to me when i presented the evidence, he said to me well, it doesn t say whether we were lobbying for or against. in what world would he have lobbied for sanctions that would have hurt the bottom line of his company? so it clearly was at least not transparent and worrisome because if he really didn t know, how do you operate a large institution like the state department and what s your management style? he also exxonmobil responded saying let s be clear, we engaged with lawmakers to discuss sanction impacts, not whether or not sanctions should be opposed although that strikes me as a distinction without a difference if you come to a member s office and say this is going to hurt our bottom line you don t have to say that s why you should oppose it. absolutely. mr. tillerson said it was to seek information and guidance. well, you don t have to have a lobby disclosure form in order to seek information or guidance. you have a lobby disclosure form because you are taking a specific position for or against a specific piece of legislation or regulatory action. that thing about getting information is not tenable because you don t need to do that to file a disclosure form. they were clearly lobbying against sanctions on iran, russia and other iterations of those sanction regimes. so was this fundamentally deceptive? i asked at the beginning but he says he never personally lobbied then you have your colleague saying you called me. do you feel the answers he gave today were forthcoming and truthful? no, i have serious questions as to what he answered. on the whole sanctions regime, which is part of our limited arsenal of peaceful diplomacy tools so you don t have to go to war over disputes, he had it all over the place. he has a history of lobbying against it to exxonmobil then he says they can be powerful a powerful tool. and when i asked him today, without specifying with sanctions, do you not believe on the face of everything russia has done including trying to affect our own national presidential elections that additional sanctions should be called for and he wouldn t commit to that. so i have a real concern as to where he stands as it relates to that and other issues. all right, senator bob menendez, thank you for your time, appreciate it. thank you. still to come, today s press conference served as a stark reminder of the temperament of the incoming president. i ll talk about it with michael moore ahead. plus, a truly, truly bizarre thing 1, thing 2 that you have to see after this break. 90% of the world s largest supercomputers run on intel? 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mr. president-elect, since you are attacking not you. not you. reporter: can you give us a chance? your organization is terrible. i m not going to give you a question, i i can you state categorically you are fake news. that man not the man sitting down, the man standing up, is about to become the most powerful person in the world. i will ask filmmaker michael moore what that means for our democracy next. don t let the food you eat during the day haunt you at night. nexium 24hr. shuts down your stomach s active acid pumps. to stop the burn of frequent heartburn. all day and night. have we seen them before? banish the burn with nexium 24hr. we re not professional liathletes. .but that doesn t mean we re giving up. i m in this for me. for me. along with diet and exercise, farxiga helps lower blood sugar in adults with type 2 diabetes. lowering a1c by up to 1.2 points. do not take if allergic to farxiga. if you experience symptoms of a serious allergic reaction such as rash,. .swelling, difficulty breathing or swallowing,. .stop taking and seek medical help right away. do not take farxiga if you have severe kidney problems,. .are on dialysis, or have bladder cancer. tell you doctor right away if you have blood or red color in your urine,. .or pain while you urinate. farxiga can cause serious side effects including dehydration, genital yeast infections in women and men, serious urinary tract infections, low blood sugar, and kidney problems. stop taking farxiga and call your doctor right away. .if you have signs of ketoacidosis. .which is serious and may lead to death. i m in this for my family. i m in this for me. ask your doctor about farxiga. .and learn how you can get it for free. so we know how to cover almost alanything.ything, even mer-mutts. (1940s aqua music) (burke) and we covered it, february third, twenty-sixteen. talk to farmers. we know a thing or two because we ve seen a thing or two. we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum for patients like lynn, advanced genomic testing may lead to other treatment options that can work. learn how genomic testing is changing the way we fight cancer at cancercenter.com/genomics well, first of all, i ll speak as a director, then, as a film director. it was a masterful performance, he owned the room, he owned the day, this should be very distressing to everyone. you think it was politically effective today? absolutely. especially for he and his side. as showmanship? as such i did this in my hold. take those same words you just showed you are fake news. put those words in nixon s mouth, it would have sounded like the paranoid that nixon was. put those words in george w. bush s mouth, you know, it would have sounded defensive like a little boy. this guy pulls that off and he pulls it off over and over and over again and confuses the situation with so much you don t know we don t have enough time here to deal with everything that was said and done but speaking as a director, once again, the props, the trump steaks were replaced by file folders that by the way, i don t know if this has been reported, they wouldn t let the reporters we did. one of our own reporters tried to look. yeah, because of course somebody went to staples and hour earlier. i don t know but that certainly is plausible. creatined this problem that looks like a law student s dorm room, you know? it really it s like obviously we ve thought this through and obviously we ve addressed the conflict of interest, just look at how many sheets of paper there are. just look at all this paper in an era where none of this is really on paper. so this is where now after this what happened today the threat against cnn and nbc has suffered the same sort of threat before. he attacked our reporter katy tur on multiples on occasions. absolutely. so now it s critical that the media do its job and do not be afraid, do not back down, do not try to because buzzfeed screwed up in some way because of the michael cohen thing, don t now not do your job because this clearly was something that wasn t vetted. so here s my you re referring to that dossier which circulated, published by buzzfeed that contained a bunch of unverified and possibly unverifiable, frankly, outlandish and lurid accusations. you could tell from the first moment that in a smart tactical sense they were going to attack the weakest point so that was distinct from the cnn report, right? but he conflate it had two very wisely, i thought, to attack them both and correct. and the main story, really, if you re a serious journalist, isn t the salacious prostitute stuff. it s the second point which is was there collusion between the trump campaign and any russians during the campaign? that s worthy of the investigation that apparently the fbi and others are doing right now. we should note jim acosta that was the question he was asking, can you state categorically it was dodged. acosta then said afterwards someone from abc asked that and the president-elect said no so i want to enter that in the record. here s my question to you. i have watched this play out in the transition period and what i ve noticed is this. donald trump ultimately became president-elect i think because he was able to profit off a forced choice between himself and hillary clinton and hick because of 30 years in the public eye because of different factors, he was able to say you may not like me but it s me or her. it strikes me he has replaced hillary clinton with the media. he is now running against the media. the scary part of that analogy is you have hillary who won but because of the democrats and who they are and the way they are she lost. well, she didn t win in the sense that she did not win the 270 electoral votes necessary to become president. well, let me put it a different way. if donald trump had won by three million popular votes things would have played out differently. what would be going on right now? i agree. in fact, he laid the ground work for it. correct. so play that out. so when you say the press has to be uncowed and i agree with you, my own personal perspective on this, they have to focus as much as possible which is very difficult to do, very difficult to do. yes, right because you re dealing with somebody with certain issues, we ll call it that just to who likes to pick a million fights. and says a million crazy things. he will in one moment say he believes russia did hack into the dnc and literally less than a minute later say i don t know. maybe not, maybe it was some other country. fortunately the 400 pound guy sitting on the bed has been left out of the discussion but it could be other countries. it could be other countries. so this is crazy time but it s so important. we re laughing about this but the media. they said this story has been floating around, did you hear it? i had heard word of it. i didn t read the dossier. but what i had read was david corn s piece based off this dossier. in terms of the first order of questions, i think you don t publish that dossier, that s my own personal feeling because you have to verify stuff that you publish. that s my feeling. no, that s correct. thank you. and as someone who i myself have had buzzfeed print things about me that aren t true so i now you re sounding trumpish. well, no, it s just the truth that this is where this is going to be the undoing of the press if they don t do what you just said, if that kind of serious journalism doesn t happen and and we should point out that nbc universal is an investor in buzzfeed. any time that s mentioned it should be said. yes. they are. so we should say here, though, that that the you re getting at the pay dirt here, what is the term he used? they appropriate this term, fake news. fake news is this term he s one of the founders of in the the obama era. he created the fake news of the barack obama is not a citizen. and he said that there was intelligence. that s right. he was called by a reputable source that there was intelligence. he himself was going to he was hiring investigators to support his fake news. he is the godfather of this deck ka decade s fake news. for him to say fake news well, this is a great point. as a person who launched his political career off of unverifiable and ultimately incorrect conspiratorial and frankly racist theories about the president s crypto kenyan birth and forged documents and all this stuff. and the fact that the way he deals with the sex thing is his defense is i m a germaphobe. he just admits it publicly on tv i m a germaphobe. like to him that takes care of any sex like sex is all dirty and germy. whatever. well that s what he used. this could have never happened. i won t get into the weeds. this couldn t have happened because i m a germaphobe and i know where they put the cameras in the hotel rooms, i have hotels. that was also fascinating. but the term fake news and what i found potent about that is describe this specific thing that happened during the election, you see it all the time, in your facebook feed, denzel washington endorses donald trump. that s jus not a true thing and the people that wrote that know it s not true. it s not even that important, frankly, but not true. he even tweeted i put out a movie against him called trumpland just before the election and he tweets thank you, michael moore, for putting out trumpland. and it s like i thought at the time he sees his name in the title. it s to a narcissist it s always a great thing to see you name. to be mentioned, yeah. but it s just but we re through the looking glass. he has appropriated this term to say it s a judo move where it s it s fake news. this was genius today. he pulled it off now we ll see if the press decides to back down or come back at him. and stay on the conflict story. and stay on the fact that he is a founder of fake news and that s and when he says things like over the weekend i was offered $2 billion. have you ever heard a president or president-elect ever say yeah, i just got offered $2 billion. and i have to say, i was happy for that moment because it was news, we didn t know that and it concretized precisely the conflict problem we have been trying to illustrate on this show. michael moore, thank you. and thank you and let me just
alt-right movement within which anti-semitism and racist troeps are pervasive. bannon s appointment drawing sharp condemnation. the spokesman for harry reid saying quote it is easy to see why the kkk views trump as their champ when trump appoints one of the foremost peddlers of white supremacist themes and rhetoric as his top aide. the ceo of the anti-defamation league calling it a quote, sad day. the executive director of the council on american islamic relations says the appointment of bannon sends the disturbing message that the anti-muslim conspiracy theories and white nationalist ideology will be welcome in the white house. as thousands across the country protest against trump for the fifth straight day, trump addressing his supporters who have harassed minorities in his first tv interview. post-election. i say stop it. allen silly is a former communications director for ted cruz and hilary rosen is a cnn political commentator. brian stelter is the cnn senior media correspondent. welcome to all of you. good morning. so, brian, i want to start with you. and i want to get in to who steve bannon is, and why so many minority rights organizations have a problem with him. because he is a bomb thrower. provocateur. a man that is a symbol of the alt-right movement. and the alt-right movement means many things one of the things it means is a white identity politics. white nationalism. that s why we heard some people say this is white supremacy is a disguise. now steve bannon rejects that entirely. says he has nothing to do with that. he told me months ago this is all about populism sweeping the globe. but the bottom line, carol, is that reince priebus on the morning shows today said donald trump will be a president for all of americans. that s not who steve bannon is. that s not what breitbart is. breitbart is not a website for all americans. it s a website for the alt-right. so we re getting two messages, for steve bannon and the campaign moving forward. i do think, being an outsider is one thing. promoting white nationalist policies is quite another. if you go to the breitbart headlines of the past, steve bannon was editor, right, of breitbart and i m just going to read one, he said head line there not too long ago dear straight people i m officially giving you permission to say gay f-a-g-g-o-t and we re. i mean look at these headlines in breitbart. hillary, is there a difference between an outsider and a white nationalist provocateur? like i think so many people there s a huge difference, and that i think hilary. there s a huge difference, and you know, as brian said this breitbart news has fomented division and anger, and fear in people, and you know, i hate to see, frankly, what power they could have when they have the full resources and secrets of the federal government to attack people with. and the idea that steve bannon will be conspiring with, you know, right wing media, to send messages out, and kind of appalling to me. but this is really about two donald trumps. and donald trump not having an ideology. people are used to our president actually caring about something. and what we have here is, you know, steve bannon s appointment being focused on fomenting the kind of outsider, white nationalist movement and reince priebus making sure that, you know, the banks get their lobbying deals, and that climate change is repealed, and that, you know, essentially the government is handed back to big corporations, and fat cats. and so you have kind of the combination of these two things, and the little guy that donald trump says he got elected for, in my view, ends up getting screwed because those people are not going to protect them. well, well here s the thing. i think that there is a line of thought that, that, you know, we ve become too politically correct in this country, minorities have too much power, it s time to right the ship, you need someone like steve bannon in there to do just that, right? and also, trump trump supporters saying when mr. trump says things he doesn t mean them literally, he just needs to sort of even things out. and one good example of that may be the wall. right? because on his website even this morning it still says he wants to build an impenetrable physical wall that mexico will pay for. but last night on 60 minutes he said something different. let s listen. could be it could be some fencing. what about the pledge to deport millions and millions of undocumented immigrants? what we are going to do is get the people that are criminal and criminal records, gang members, drug dealers, there are a lot of these people. probably 2 million, could even be 3 million. we re getting them out of our country, or we re going to incarcerate. but, we re getting them out of our country. they re here illegally. okay, so, so, david, maybe donald trump means when he says he s going to build this impenetrable wall and have mexico pay for it he doesn t quite mean that literally. but he is going to get something done and won t that be enough for his supporters? well, i think that remains to be seen, carol. i mean, that is what we ve already looked at in the last couple of days with some of the statements that president-elect trump has made. he has, in that interview clip that you just played, he was backing off this idea that he s going to build this big physical structure of the wall across the entire border with no fencing, just a big, as he said, big, beautiful wall and make mexico pay for it. he sounded more measured on that. he has made signals in the last couple of days that he is rethinking some of the specifics on the affordable care act saying he wants to keep in place letting people keep their kids on their insurance plan until they re 26. making insurers cover people who have pre-existing conditions. you know, if you re a fan of someone being moderate and judicious in the way they approach their job as president, i guess you could say those are good things. the difficulty is that one, those aren t the promises that he made on the campaign trail. and that number two is, is that if you re not supposed to take trump literally at his word on what he said on the campaign, how are you supposed to evaluate now what he says going forward when he s making some, what i would say are significant changes to his approach, at least rhetorically, in just the first few days of his transition? something he seems to be like toeing the line on very carefully is this idea of locking hillary clinton because those were campaign chants during the campaign lock her up. he said yesterday over the weekend that he was thinking about maybe firing the fbi director. he didn t really know. but as you know the president can appoint an fbi director. and then he said he wouldn t totally take off the table that notion that somehow hillary clinton will be prosecuted. let s listen. you called her crooked hillary, said you wanted to get her to go to jail, your people in your audiences kept saying lock her up. yeah. she did some bad things. i know but a special prosecutor? i don t want to hurt them. i don t want to hurt them. they re good people. i don t want to hurt them. and i will give you a very, very good and definitive answer the next time we do 60 minutes together. so, rebecca, thoughts? well, it does look like he is beginning to back away, carol, from his campaign promise to appoint a special prosecutor. his assessment apparently being that now that the campaign is over, it s less important to settle those scores with a former political rival. and if that is the case, and again his statement is really hard to dissect at this point, and really know what he truly means, or wants, but that should encourage a lot of people on the democratic side, i would imagine, who were very, very worried when we were hearing these chants at his rallies. when he was talking about a special prosecutor, especially because this begins to sound like sort of a third world country sort of thing that you are threatening to jail your former political opponents once you win. so i think this should be encouraging for a lot of people. and certainly it s going to be very difficult for donald trump to unite the country, as he says he wants to, if he s actively pursuing a case against hillary clinton, his former political rival. all right. i have to leave it there. thanks to all of you. still to come in the newsroom it s not just protests. a new report shows hateful harassment is up post-election. and will having a man with white nationalist ties so close to the oval office just fan the flames more? theraflu. for a powerful comeback. new expressmax caplets. it has been six days since america elected a new president and we re still a nation divided. protests planned again today in tucson and in los angeles. the lapd already dealing with several days of protests. 8,000 people marched through downtown saturday. across the country also large protests in places like new york, portland and philadelphia. this election has set us back, and has definitely shown in the world that we are not as advanced as we think we are. i have been aghast at the the behavior of donald trump. i think his racist and xenophobic rhetoric has been very disruptive. i am a single father. i pay my taxes. i m scared. i really am scared. of being deported to a country that i am not familiar with. the protesters, because of incidents like this, graffiti reading trump nation, whites only, that was discovered on sunday morning, sprayed on a wall at an episcopal church in a heavily latino neighborhood just outside of washington, d.c. the southern poverty law center says this is not an isolated incident. it has counted more than 300 cases of election related harassment and intimidation across the country. so let s talk about that. cnn s correspondent rachel crane has been looking into it. good morning. good morning, carol. one of the most disturbing things about these incidents is that the southern poverty law center is saying that the most commonly reported location of these incidents of hate crime, of these incidents of the you know racist graffiti are happening in schools. children k. through 12 engaging in this type of horrific behavior. they say that more than 40 incidents have been reported at schools. now, in michigan, at a middle school, we saw in a cafeteria children chanting build the wall, build the wall. there s a video of that. it s been viewed millions of times on social media. incredibly disturbing. to see them engaging in that type of behavior. also in minnesota at a high school we saw racist graffiti, pro-trump graffiti in a bathroom reading white america, also reading go back to africa. trump let s make america great again. also, in a high school in california, we saw a student giving out fake deportation letters to minority students. you know, this isn t just happening in high schools and middle schools, also in colleges. we saw a student at san diego state university being accosted by two people, she was wearing a hij hijab, they were spewing racial slurs, they skoel her purse, skoel her keys, stole her car. we re also seeing graffiti not just in schools but across the country in philadelphia, because in north carolina graffiti reading black lives don t matter. your vote doesn t matter. carol, just incredibly disturbing. there are some would say because you mentioned a number, 40 high schools and middle schools across the country. we live in a country of 330 million people, right? so some people might say, you know, so a tiny fraction, you know, a tiny number of idiots across the country are doing these things. but it s not a widespread problem. so how would you characterize it. well, you know, the southern poverty law center coming out and saying just this morning on cnn, there have been more than 300 incidents of this since donald trump was elected president. and they re calling on donald trump to take more responsibility for these instances. you know, just last night on 60 minutes donald trump did acknowledge that a handful of these incidences were occurring calling on the people committing these crimes to stop it. but, you know, the president of the southern poverty law center saying that there are actually hundreds of these crimes happening not just a handful. thanks so much. so here we are. there is real fear, i hear it in new york, they re surprised at this, i hear it from my family in ohio. so how do we as a nation process this? here s dave chappelle on snl. a few weeks ago i went to the white house for a party. it was the first time i had been there many years, and and it was very exciting. and b.e.t. had sponsored the party. so everyone there was black. and, it was beautiful. i walked through the gates. you know, i m from washington, so i saw the bus stop, the the corner where the bus stop used to be where i used to catch the bus to school and dream about nights like tonight. it was a really, really beautiful tonight. and at the end of the night everyone went into the west wing of the white house, and it was a huge party. and everybody in there was black except bradley cooper for some reason. and on the because were pictures of all the presidents of the past. now i m not sure if this is true but to my knowledge the first black person that was officially invited to the white house was fredrierick douglass, they stopd him at the gates. abraham lincoln himself had to walk out and escort frederick douglass at the white house. it didn t happen again as far as i know until roosevelt was president. roosevelt was president, he had a black guy over and got so much flak from the media that he literally said i will never have a nigger in this house again. i thought about that, and i looked at that and i saw all those black faces around it, and i saw and i saw how happy everybody was. these people who had been historically disenfranchised. and it made me feel hopeful. and it made me feel proud to be an american. and it made me very happy about the prospects. so in that spirit, i m wishing donald trump luck, and i m going to give him a chance, and we, the historically disenfranchised demand that he give us one, too. thank you very much. all right so that s one point of view. but this is why many minority groups worry. donald trump appointed that man name steve bannon. a man white nationalists embrace and for good reason. bannon s breitbart launched headlines like these. bill kristol a renegade jew. why islam is the single greatest threat to civilization. the ten things milo hates about islam. and six reasons pamela gellar s muhammad cartoon contest is no different from selma let s talk about the divide in our country with the executive director of c.a.r.e., welcome, sir. can you say hello to me again? because i didn t hear you. sure, yeah. oh, good. i was worried there was something wrong with your audio. i m glad there isn t anything. there are there are many people in this country that say the left wing is just in a state of hysteria right now and they should give this man a chance, so why aren t they? well, it would have legitimate concerns, and when you when you see that the president-elect appoints someone who holds anti-semitic, anti-muslim, anti-immigrant theories, you wonder, are we going to move this country forward? are we going to heal this country in the next few years? and i think the message that we see by appointing an all-right wing theorist we see it the very own message that our nation needs now. our nation is divided. our nation has been wounded. with what we have seen in the past few months and if we would like to move forward we have to appoint chief strategists who believe in the plurality, diversity and core principles of let me let me let me put it this way. steve bannon has long been a part of donald trump s campaign. so, people went out and voted. and that includes 29% of hispanics, for donald trump, and 8% of african-americans for donald trump. those are larger percentages than voted for mitt romney. so he does have some support in the minority community. yeah, true. and even a small number among american muslims voted for him. we re not talking about now donald trump himself. we re talking about appointing people who do not believe in the plurality and diversity and the core principles of this country. and we hold the president in the highest standard in defending the rights of all americans and those who arrive in the united states. by appointing steve bannon, president-elect trump is continuing to advance division and, unfortunately, dispute within americans but what, what, what is your fear about steve bannon? what, what policies might he push forward that concern you? conspiracy theories against muslims, jews, people of color, anti-women sentiment, so, you know, i can t imagine how the president of the united states will bring a bigot, and oppose that will divide america further to be a chief strategist for him in the white house. one of the most important positions in the white house, in the people s house, should have people who believe in the plurality and diversity of this country to unite americans and to heed the warnings that we have seen over so how will how will your organization help heal the wounds? what will your organization do going forward, now that you know that steve bannon is trump s chief strategic guy? by speaking truth to power. by speaking to the president. by advising him. by telling him that the appointment of a bigot in the white house does not serve america, does not unite america, it will further deepen our wounds. and president-elect trump has said on 60 minutes that he would like to bring americans together by appointing steve bannon, that is not the way to do you still have hope that mr. trump is serious when he says he wants to unite america? well i are you going to give him a chance? america needs to be united. and the president-elect now in a position to make serious and important, you know, statements by bringing people who are and we believe he has the wrong people to advise him es special ply in this key position. mr. bannon has bigoted views a will bring bigoted policies and that will not help advancing unity among americans, and making this country move forward. all right i have to leave it there. mr. awad thank you so much for joining me this morning. still to come in the newsroom, so much for repealing and replacing obamacare. now donald trump says he doesn t want to next all of obamacare. so does he mean kind of a version of trump care? we ll talk about that next. but first the opening bell moments away, is the market ready to hit another record? alison kosik is with me. good morning. the trump rally ready to roll into a second week. we are seeing the dow open at a fresh record high. that s after a string of big gains boosted by donald trump s win. look at the dow, up more than 5% over that span of time. that s about 1,000 points. also predictions of a big drop of that, never materialized.ll - so you re seeing investors focus now on pro-business, pro-growth policies like tax cuts, and deregulations. so as we get into the trading day we see the s&p 500 about 1% away from a record of its own. investors are dumping gold, they re dumping bonds, they re buying into the market, and because of this market reaction, along with a stronger economic growth we ve seen lately, carol, we can expect to see the fed, everybody see the fed raise rates next month. all right. i know you ll keep an eye on it for us. thanks so much. i ll be right back. i am benedict arnold, the infamous traitor. and i know a thing or two about trading. so i trade with e trade, where true traders trade on a trademarked trade platform that has all the. get off the computer traitor! i won t. 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is he trying to is he is he is he going for like an obamacare-light program? it sounds to me like trump is trying to say he s going to protect some of the parts of obamacare that are most popular without actually laying out a plan for doing so. so for example, one of the fundamental gains of obamacare is ending discrimination in insurance markets. no longer allowing insurers to deny insurance coverage to people just because they re sick or charge them higher prices. he hasn t mentioned that. pre-existing conditions exclusions, that s nice. but that doesn t solve the problem. so my wife, for example, a breast cancer survivor. what trump laid out if she went to the insurer, the insurer could say yeah if we offered you health insurance we d make sure to cover your breast cancer but guess what we re not going to offer you health insurance because you re sick? trump has to address that problem. so, so, so he keeps like i guess this still would have to go through congress, right? so let s say he keeps the parts of the law that, that people really like. what would that do to all of our premiums? if, if, if he could keep all of the elements that, that you say that the point is about obamacare it s complicated for a reason. the part people like is ending insurance discrimination. not allowing insurers to deny my wife coverage because she s a breast cancer survivor. however you can t have that unless you also make sure that people can afford insurance so that the healthy buy it and you get healthy people into the risk group. to just say we re going to keep the parts people like and get rid of the parts people don t, we ve tried that. seven states tried that in the 1990s. they tried to tell insurers you can t discriminate against the sick. in every single case it destroyed the insurance market, premiums went through the roof and the insurance market shrunk to a fraction of its previous size. you can t have it both ways. if you want to tell insurers they can t discriminate you need an individual mandate and subsidies to make sure healthy people come into the pool. why couldn t the government put price controls on insurance companies? the government could try to put price controls on insurance companies but then insurance companies could a, exit the market. and say i m just not going to offer insurance in this market. there s nothing the government can do about that. or b deny sick people coverage or say at that price i m not going to offer coverage to sick people. the point is the government cannot force go ahead. it s okay. the bottom line is, you can t have it both ways. if you want insurance companies to cover everyone fairly, you have to bring healthy people into the pool. and the only way to do that is with a combination of tariffs, which is tax credits to make health insurance affordable, and a stick which is a mandate to bring the healthy people in to buy insurance. i have heard i ve heard a lot of people say, you know what, there s 22 million people in obamacare right now, a large majority of them are are poor people who can t afford insurance but if they re tikd off with obamacare they ll just go to medicaid. is it as simple as that? no it s not. the 22 million people who are on obamacare right now are on parts of medicaid that didn t exist before. so for example, before on medicaid, if you were, say, 25-year-old, or say a 30-year-old single woman with no children, and an income of $5,000 a year, you had no access to health insurance. that simply didn t exist. obamacare expanding medicaid said we re going to guarantee our poorest citizens, very poorest citizens a right to health insurance coverage. in those states that choose to expand medicaid. if you take that away then a woman like that simply has no coverage options. okay. jonathan gruber, thanks for stopping by. we ll all see what happens together. thank you so much. still to come in the newsroom, people in aleppo, syria, flee now or face heavy bombing within 24 hours. it s the look on their faces that make it all worthwhile. thank you santa!!! now lease the 2017 c300 for $389 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. imagine getting a text that your city is going to be bomd and you better get out when you can. people in aleppo, syria, are not imagining that. they re living it. that s the text they got and syrian rebels in the city are being told to lay down their weapons or die. cnn is following that from amen, jordan for us. good morning. good morning, carol. according to residents of eastern aleppo that we ve spoken to, they say early on sunday they received these various text messages that they believe are from the syrian regime, really with a warning, addressed to the rebels in eastern aleppo, but also to the residents, a warning, an ultimatum, giving people 24 hours, telling the rebels to lay down their weapons, or even leave the city, and they re really warning of a military assault that they say is going to be launched on eastern aleppo. the people that we ve spoken to, carol, say this is something they ve seen in the past, these sorts of messages, they ve received them in the past on leaflets that have been dropped on their neighborhoods or broadcast through state media. they feel this is part of the psychological warfare and intimidation tactics to spread fear amongst the population in eastern aleppo. but, at the same time, there is this real sense of apprehension amongst the people in eastern aleppo, those that we have spoken to are absolutely terrified, carol, of what they feel might be an all-out military assault by the syrian regime, and their russian allies that could start any minute now. all right. jomana reporting live for us from jordan. thanks so much. still to come in the newsroom more americans picked clinton but trump won the white house. now some, well, some mostly on the left are saying it is time to change the electoral system. hey dad! wishes do come true. the lincoln wish list sales event is on. get exceptional offers on the lincoln family of luxury vehicles. sign and drive off in a new 2017 lincoln mkc with zero down and a complimentary first month s payment. college over the years, including by the way, newt gingrich. now, look, is this going to have any practical effect? well, in one sense, no. hillary clinton in the end will win the popular vote probably by a record in american history. right now she s up as you mentioned 700,000 or so. the estimates are that she will end up winning by one and a half to two million votes. that s a lot of votes. you may remember al gore won the popular vote but he won it by 540,000. much, much fewer than hillary clinton. so you know, it has practical effects on a president because it gives his critics a useful retort to any proposal he makes. well, you weren t elected by the people. you were elected by this antiquated invention of the founders that fit the 1790s but doesn t fit the 21st century. although his new chief of staff, reince priebus, put it another way this morning. let s listen. he played the exact strategy that a smart person would play in the 12 states that mattered and he won significantly. so i get the obsession over the popular vote but that s really not what this election was all about. okay. this was not what this election was all about. he said if donald trump had gone to california, he probably would have won california but he didn t choose to go there. there s absolutely zero chance that he would have even come close in california. newt gingrich made the same argument yesterday that if the popular vote mattered, donald trump would have campaigned in california and won at least two million more votes which is of course, absurd on its face. but you also have to ask what would hillary clinton have done. well, her campaign which was well organized and had tons of money would have organized the blue parts of red states. they didn t bother to organize the college towns and big cities in red states because they knew it was hopeless. they weren t going to win the electoral vote. but if they had done so, she would have picked up millions of additional votes. so this is an argument that is a non-starter. so how likely is it that anything will change when it comes to the electoral college? carol, you know the gallop poll for many users, even decades, has shown that a very large majority of americans wants to abolish this crazy institution, the electoral college. we are the only democracy in the world that doesn t count the popular vote. you can win the popular vote, you can lose the presidency. it s already happened five times in american history. it s going to be happening more frequently as long as we have close elections and the democrats will be disproportionately disadvantaged by this. so all i can tell you is if the people have their way, it would be abolished, because we are incapable of reforming our system and i say that sadly. the electoral college will be abolished on the 12th of never. just quickly, remind us why there s an electoral college anyway. well, there s an electoral college for a number of reasons. certainly one reason was it was a request slash demand of mal r smaller states particularly those that were slave states, mainly because the founders did not trust the people. we had no popular election in the beginning. we went through five presidential elections before we got to or five presidents before we got to a popular vote in the 1820s and even then it was extremely limited to a relative handful of white men, mainly propertied men. no women, no african-americans, so on. so it s been a long, hard process to broaden the franchise and this is an important point to make. it still shows that the franchise is not universal because the people don t pick the president. have to leave it there. thanks for stopping by. the next hour of cnn newsroom after a break. when a moment spontaneously turns romantic, why pause to take a pill? 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